Re: Why do we take so long to realise good ideas (Was: Difficult Packaging Practices)

2019-06-25 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 5/29/19 11:01 AM, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > On Wed, 29 May 2019, Ansgar wrote: >> On Wed, 2019-05-29 at 10:38 +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: >>> On Wed, 29 May 2019, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: One of the popular answers to this and some other problems is "nobody sat down and wrote the cod

Re: paying people for Debian work (Re: Why do we take so long to realise good ideas (Was: Difficult Packaging Practices))

2019-06-06 Thread Joël Krähemann
Hi, Why to support additional fragmentation? My opinion is debian was left behind regarding infrastructure. I do packaging for various distributions. Honestly, I am running debian. But you could provide continues integration for different architectures, not only i386 and amd64. Extend access to

Re: paying people for Debian work (Re: Why do we take so long to realise good ideas (Was: Difficult Packaging Practices))

2019-06-03 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Mon, 03 Jun 2019, Paul Wise wrote: > There are a few things that are possibly concerning: Thanks for sharing those. Let me answer them. > Freexian is essentially the only available-to-hire provider of > services for Debian LTS, as the Freeside link doesn't lead anywhere > useful. This mea

Re: paying people for Debian work (Re: Why do we take so long to realise good ideas (Was: Difficult Packaging Practices))

2019-06-02 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 5:32 AM Holger Levsen wrote: > LTS is accepted by the Debian community. I'm not entirely sure this fully represents the range of feelings about the LTS efforts. There are a few things that are possibly concerning: Freexian is essentially the only available-to-hire provid

Re: Why do we take so long to realise good ideas (Was: Difficult Packaging Practices)

2019-05-31 Thread Holger Levsen
hi, just commenting on two bits now: On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 07:17:07AM +0200, Helmut Grohne wrote: > On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 10:46:48AM +0200, Ansgar wrote: > > On Wed, 2019-05-29 at 10:38 +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > > Use the $300,000 on our bank accounts? > > I heard that this didn't wor

Re: Why do we take so long to realise good ideas (Was: Difficult Packaging Practices)

2019-05-30 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Helmut Grohne (2019-05-31 07:17:07) > On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 10:46:48AM +0200, Ansgar wrote: > > On Wed, 2019-05-29 at 10:38 +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > > Use the $300,000 on our bank accounts? > > > > I heard that this didn't work out well the last time ("dunc tank"), > > though t

Re: Why do we take so long to realise good ideas (Was: Difficult Packaging Practices)

2019-05-30 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 10:46:48AM +0200, Ansgar wrote: > On Wed, 2019-05-29 at 10:38 +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > Use the $300,000 on our bank accounts? > > I heard that this didn't work out well the last time ("dunc tank"), > though that was before the time I followed Debian development. I

paying people for Debian work (Re: Why do we take so long to realise good ideas (Was: Difficult Packaging Practices))

2019-05-30 Thread Holger Levsen
On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 11:01:44AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > > Use the $300,000 on our bank accounts? > > I heard that this didn't work out well the last time ("dunc tank"), > > though that was before the time I followed Debian development. > Yes, I was there (and mention it briefly in the

Re: Why do we take so long to realise good ideas (Was: Difficult Packaging Practices)

2019-05-29 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 29 May 2019, Ansgar wrote: > On Wed, 2019-05-29 at 10:38 +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > On Wed, 29 May 2019, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > > > One of the popular answers to this and some other problems is "nobody sat > > > down and wrote the code". Not sure what can we do about this class

Re: Why do we take so long to realise good ideas (Was: Difficult Packaging Practices)

2019-05-29 Thread Ansgar
On Wed, 2019-05-29 at 10:38 +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > On Wed, 29 May 2019, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > > One of the popular answers to this and some other problems is "nobody sat > > down and wrote the code". Not sure what can we do about this class of > > reasons. > > Use the $300,000 on ou

Re: Why do we take so long to realise good ideas (Was: Difficult Packaging Practices)

2019-05-29 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Wed, 29 May 2019, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > One of the popular answers to this and some other problems is "nobody sat > down and wrote the code". Not sure what can we do about this class of > reasons. Use the $300,000 on our bank accounts? https://lists.debian.org/debian-news/2019/msg00

Re: Why do we take so long to realise good ideas (Was: Difficult Packaging Practices)

2019-05-28 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 08:43:55AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > IMHO this touches another burning topic: Its not that we do not want to > provide some PPA equivalent - its just that we do not realise it. I do > not remember how many years ago we talked about bikesheds (and > obviously we even fo

Why do we take so long to realise good ideas (Was: Difficult Packaging Practices)

2019-05-28 Thread Andreas Tille
On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 07:54:20AM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: > As an example, Ubuntu makes it easy to add side-loaded channels (ppas). > we don't. IMHO this touches another burning topic: Its not that we do not want to provide some PPA equivalent - its just that we do not realise it. I do not re