Re: WebID as passwordless authentication for debian web services

2013-05-19 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On 05/18/2013 12:08 PM, Olivier Berger wrote: > We do verify such trust chains every day for db.debian.org AFAIU (and of > course for uploads)... so provided a GPG public key is in our keyrings, > it can be used to "certify" a WebID document, by verifying that it has > been signed by the correct G

Re: WebID as passwordless authentication for debian web services

2013-05-18 Thread Russ Allbery
Olivier Berger writes: > Russ Allbery writes: >> Oh, absolutely. If you are in a position to verify PPG signatures from >> the user, you can of course use PGP as the authentication method, at >> which point you don't need to trust anything other than PGP. The >> problem, of course, is that thi

Re: WebID as passwordless authentication for debian web services

2013-05-18 Thread Olivier Berger
Hi. Thanks for your valuable feedback. Russ Allbery writes: > Olivier Berger writes: >> Russ Allbery writes: > >> May I suggest you forward this to the WebID list so that more informed >> experts can react ? This seems a very interesting problem, and certainly >> not Debian-related (I could f

Re: WebID as passwordless authentication for debian web services

2013-05-17 Thread Russ Allbery
Simon McVittie writes: > By way of context, OpenID originated on Livejournal as a way to have > federation between blogging platforms (e.g. other sites running the > Livejournal codebase). At the time, https was considered sufficiently > expensive that LJ didn't even use it to secure login, let a

Re: WebID as passwordless authentication for debian web services

2013-05-17 Thread Russ Allbery
Olivier Berger writes: > Russ Allbery writes: >> ober...@debian.org writes: >>> I'm not sure I understand all aspects of the recent evolutions of the >>> WebID auth protocols nor the big picture, but my understanding is that >>> to auth to a server using a WebID (i.e. a URI pointing to a RDF >>>

Re: WebID as passwordless authentication for debian web services

2013-05-17 Thread Simon McVittie
On 17/05/13 17:36, Olivier Berger wrote: >> The only way to prevent this attack in WebID that I see is to either do >> leap-of-faith permanent caching [...] or >> to secure the connection to my identity URI. > > I wonder how OpenID, for instance, is supposed to resist to such > attacks, in compari

Re: WebID as passwordless authentication for debian web services

2013-05-17 Thread Olivier Berger
Hi. Russ Allbery writes: > ober...@debian.org writes: >> I'm not sure I understand all aspects of the recent evolutions of the >> WebID auth protocols nor the big picture, but my understanding is that >> to auth to a server using a WebID (i.e. a URI pointing to a RDF document >> which declares