Andreas Tille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Nov 2008, Frank Küster wrote:
>
>> http://christian-morgenstern.de/dcma/Der_Werwolf
>
> Try
>
> # apt-get install fortunes-de
> $ fortune -m Werwölfe
>
> to see even the plural version ...
>
> Hope this makes a funny end to this story
On Tue, 25 Nov 2008, Frank Küster wrote:
http://christian-morgenstern.de/dcma/Der_Werwolf
Try
# apt-get install fortunes-de
$ fortune -m Werwölfe
to see even the plural version ...
Hope this makes a funny end to this story
Andreas.
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Gunnar Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> BTW, I could have also felt Joss' message as a personal attack on my
> and my family...
Wolf? Werewolf? Family? No way. For those who understand German, here's
why not:
http://christian-morgenstern.de/dcma/Der_Werwolf
The same works in English too, as I'
Quoting Don Armstrong ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> On Tue, 25 Nov 2008, Christian Perrier wrote:
> > Has the d-d-a ban been lifted?
>
> There currently isn't a ban in place.[1] [EMAIL PROTECTED] will likely
> be communicating privately with the individual(s) involved once we
> have come to consensus our
* Martin Langhoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-11-25 12:12]:
> On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Rafael Laboissiere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >> 1: Thankfully, it hasn't been required yet
> >
> > I am confused:
>
> it might be a small misunderstanding. 'Required' is not the same as
> 'requeste
>> There currently isn't a ban in place.[1] [...]
>> 1: Thankfully, it hasn't been required yet
> I am confused:
>> And because of that I've asked the listmasters to block him from
>> posting to d-d-a.
> Where is the truth?
The truth is that you cant read or parse english. :)
"I've asked" is not
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Rafael Laboissiere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 1: Thankfully, it hasn't been required yet
>
> I am confused:
it might be a small misunderstanding. 'Required' is not the same as
'requested' in English (though they are in some latin languages).
Steve McIntyre has
* Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-11-25 00:21]:
> On Tue, 25 Nov 2008, Christian Perrier wrote:
> > Has the d-d-a ban been lifted?
>
> There currently isn't a ban in place.[1] [...]
>
> 1: Thankfully, it hasn't been required yet
I am confused:
* Steve McIntyre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008
On Tue, 25 Nov 2008, Russell Coker wrote:
To avoid any confusion, Josselin has written the above post to make it clear
that he did intend to offend.
Joss sended an excuse and you just posted this link. Others asked for
stopping this thread and asked for going back fixing bugs. Would you plea
On Tuesday 25 November 2008 19:03, Federico Di Gregorio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> There's difference between the intent to offend and a parody.
http://np237.livejournal.com/20741.html
To avoid any confusion, Josselin has written the above post to make it clear
that he did intend to offend.
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 10:41:13PM +0100, Federico Di Gregorio wrote:
> Il giorno dom, 23/11/2008 alle 15.17 -0600, Manoj Srivastava ha scritto:
> > On Sun, Nov 23 2008, Federico Di Gregorio wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Yes (I'd find it funny). That's what humour is.
> >
> > hen you are a retrog
On Tue, 25 Nov 2008, Christian Perrier wrote:
> Has the d-d-a ban been lifted?
There currently isn't a ban in place.[1] [EMAIL PROTECTED] will likely
be communicating privately with the individual(s) involved once we
have come to consensus ourselves.[2] If some sort of punitive action
is taken, [E
Il giorno lun, 24/11/2008 alle 21.57 -0600, Manoj Srivastava ha scritto:
> On Mon, Nov 24 2008, Amaya wrote:
>
> > Eduard Bloch wrote:
> >> * Miriam Ruiz [Mon, Nov 24 2008, 12:07:53AM]:
> >> > Sorry but Debian is not a men's club and we're not their
> "chicks".
> >>
> >> Come on, peace! I respect
Quoting Josselin Mouette ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> I apologize for sending this email to d-d-a instead of -devel. It could
> have conveyed the same message without abusing the project resources.
Thanks for this, Joss...whatever one thinks of the content of your
post, the two sentences above are very
On Nov 24, 2008, at 5:13 AM, Steve Langasek wrote:
- The use of the word "chick" in reference to females. Chick is a
slightly derogatory, condescending common usage (slang) expression
for
a young woman.
So "linuxchix.org" is a slightly derogatory, condescending domain
name for
young wom
can you all please stop discussing this email? it is pointless
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 8:57 PM, Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 24 2008, Amaya wrote:
>
> > Eduard Bloch wrote:
> >> * Miriam Ruiz [Mon, Nov 24 2008, 12:07:53AM]:
> >> > Sorry but Debian is not a men's club a
On Mon, Nov 24 2008, Amaya wrote:
> Eduard Bloch wrote:
>> * Miriam Ruiz [Mon, Nov 24 2008, 12:07:53AM]:
>> > Sorry but Debian is not a men's club and we're not their "chicks".
>>
>> Come on, peace! I respect you as woman or man or whoever you are, there
>> is no need to polarize the discussion.
Eduard Bloch wrote:
> * Miriam Ruiz [Mon, Nov 24 2008, 12:07:53AM]:
> > Sorry but Debian is not a men's club and we're not their "chicks".
>
> Come on, peace! I respect you as woman or man or whoever you are, there
> is no need to polarize the discussion.
Well, you can't simply ask people to not
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 7:46 PM, Stefano Zacchiroli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 11:04:18AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
>> In my opinion, which is as humble as it can be (but that might not
>> mean much), I fail to see Joss' post as sexist. From its first line
>> it is a parod
Frank Küster dijo [Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 09:11:14PM +0100]:
> >> > - The only mention women get in the text is thus through a sexual
> >> > objetification.
> >>
> >> This amounts to concluding that any mention of sexuality is sexual
> >> objectification of women, which is patently absurd.
> >
> > N
Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 12:07:53AM +0100, Miriam Ruiz wrote:
>> > - The only mention women get in the text is thus through a sexual
>> > objetification.
>>
>> This amounts to concluding that any mention of sex
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 11:04:18AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> In my opinion, which is as humble as it can be (but that might not
> mean much), I fail to see Joss' post as sexist. From its first line
> it is a parody, something that very clearly should not be taken
> seriously. Not that I like it -
Hi again,
Le dimanche 23 novembre 2008 à 17:59 +0100, Josselin Mouette a écrit :
> SmellyWerewolf.com are kindly offering every Debian Developer a discount
> on their whole perfumes and make-up catalog[1]. If you apply under the
> procedure outlined below, you will pay according to "Rate Eeencredi
Russ Allbery dijo [Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 12:38:14PM -0800]:
> >>> - Send your private Debian GPG Key to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Include
> >>>the brand of your perfume and the color of the make-up.
>
> >> I find it disappointing to see this posted, and in bad taste.
>
> > /me guesses from when hav
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 03:51:07PM +1100, Ben Finney wrote:
> Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 12:07:53AM +0100, Miriam Ruiz wrote:
> > > - The only mention women get in the text is thus through a sexual
> > > objetification.
> >
> > This amounts to conclud
On Monday 24 November 2008 07:38, Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's not about whether or not the parody was funny. It's that the same
> parody could have been made, just as funny, without the completely
> gratuitous sexism.
We should note that it had already been determined that debi
* Noah Slater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-11-24 08:47]:
> We are meant to point at this stuff and say "oh my, how inappropriate this
> would
> be! thank goodness this is humour" and then laugh a little.
>
> [...] Can we please just leave it at that though, instead of perpetuating a
> terrible misu
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 09:01:32AM +0100, Rafael Laboissiere wrote:
> * Noah Slater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-11-23 22:07]:
> > Please quote from the original email explaining to me how it is sexist.
>
> Well, I found the parody very offensive to men, in general.
Heh, heh.
Parody, satire, and pas
* Noah Slater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-11-23 22:07]:
> Please quote from the original email explaining to me how it is sexist.
Well, I found the parody very offensive to men, in general. Josselin's
satire suggests that a male is a stupid creature who desperately looks for
"chicks" or whichever
On 2008-11-23, Miriam Ruiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Please quote from the original email explaining to me how it is sexist.
>
> Sexism defines the ideology of male supremacy, of male superiority and
> of beliefs that support and sustain it. Sexism and patriarchy
> mutually reinforce one anoth
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 12:07:53AM +0100, Miriam Ruiz wrote:
> > - The only mention women get in the text is thus through a sexual
> > objetification.
>
> This amounts to concluding that any mention of sexuality is sexual
> objectification of women, wh
Michael Poole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> When do we get to the self-righteous outrage about the
> net-hosting-user-centric view perpetuated by the "hosting discount"
> email?
>
> If we do not expect to have that, why is this -- rather tenuous --
> alleged sexism so different?
The net-hosting m
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 12:07:53AM +0100, Miriam Ruiz wrote:
> Apart from the fact that d-d-a is not a list for making stupid jokes,
> here you find:
> - The use of the word "chick" in reference to females. Chick is a
> slightly derogatory, condescending common usage (slang) expression for
> a youn
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 01:42:08AM +0100, Michael Banck wrote:
> PS: Besides, I was under the impression that the social pressure Andrew
> faced after his d-d-a faux pas was partly responsible for his
> resignation, so there would have been some sort of outcome indeed, but
> maybe I am misremember
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> And because of that I've asked the listmasters to block him from
> posting to d-d-a.
>
> Let's stop the discussion now, please. I'm sure we've all got better
> things to do with our time.
Community, Identity, Stability.
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Michael Banck wrote:
>On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 01:18:14AM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
>> I just don't care. We had the very same discussion 2 years ago. Nothing
>> good came out of it, nothing will this time either. I see no point in
>> trolling on -devel@ on the subject. Just answer privately to
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 01:18:14AM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> I just don't care. We had the very same discussion 2 years ago. Nothing
> good came out of it, nothing will this time either. I see no point in
> trolling on -devel@ on the subject. Just answer privately to Joss if he
> hurt your fe
#include
* Miriam Ruiz [Mon, Nov 24 2008, 12:07:53AM]:
> Apart from the fact that d-d-a is not a list for making stupid jokes,
> here you find:
Show me the law or the SC part saying that jokes have to be serious.
> - The only mention women get in the text is thus through a sexual
> objetificat
#include
* Josselin Mouette [Sun, Nov 23 2008, 05:59:13PM]:
> Hi
>
> SmellyWerewolf.com are kindly offering every Debian Developer a discount
> on their whole perfumes and make-up catalog[1]. If you apply under the
Dude, a good job! For a split second I though Andrew was back and I had
to reread
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 09:26:48PM +, Steve Kemp wrote:
> On Sun Nov 23, 2008 at 22:17:44 +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
>
> > FWIW we had this discussion already:
> >
> > http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/01/msg00920.html
> >
> > Could we fucking stop repeating the same old discussio
Miriam Ruiz writes:
> Apart from the fact that d-d-a is not a list for making stupid jokes,
> here you find:
> - The use of the word "chick" in reference to females. Chick is a
> slightly derogatory, condescending common usage (slang) expression for
> a young woman. I know that there's an open dis
Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (23/11/2008):
> Could we f*ing stop repeating the same old discussions over and over
> and over ? every two year we troll about firmwares, bad jokes on
> d-d-a, what else ?
>
> COULD WE PLEASE F*ING LEARN FROM OUR PAST PLEASE ?
You may want not to use some deri
2008/11/23 Noah Slater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 10:35:10PM +0100, Miriam Ruiz wrote:
>> 2008/11/23 Noah Slater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> > On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 01:57:28PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> >> Since when have sexist remarks come under being "humour"? If
On Sun, Nov 23 2008, Noah Slater wrote:
You are missing context.
> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 03:17:09PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>>On Sun, Nov 23 2008, Federico Di Gregorio wrote:
>>>Il giorno dom, 23/11/2008 alle 13.57 -0600, Manoj Srivastava ha scritto:
On Sun, Nov 23 2008, Fed
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 03:17:09PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> hen you are a retrograde, beetle browed moron.
Ah, the discussion has descended into name calling! Superb!
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On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 10:35:10PM +0100, Miriam Ruiz wrote:
> 2008/11/23 Noah Slater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 01:57:28PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> >> Since when have sexist remarks come under being "humour"? If you
> >> think locker room conversations and ob
WTF?
2008/11/23 Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Hi
>
> SmellyWerewolf.com are kindly offering every Debian Developer a discount
> on their whole perfumes and make-up catalog[1]. If you apply under the
> procedure outlined below, you will pay according to "Rate Eeencredible",
> which at the
Il giorno dom, 23/11/2008 alle 15.17 -0600, Manoj Srivastava ha scritto:
> On Sun, Nov 23 2008, Federico Di Gregorio wrote:
>
>
> > Yes (I'd find it funny). That's what humour is.
>
> hen you are a retrograde, beetle browed moron.
Mm.. sincerely from someone of your flaming fame I expe
2008/11/23 Noah Slater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 01:57:28PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> Since when have sexist remarks come under being "humour"? If you
>> think locker room conversations and objectification of women are funny,
>
> Maybe I'm missing something. Wh
On Sun, Nov 23 2008, Florian Weimer wrote:
> * Manoj Srivastava:
>
>> Since when have sexist remarks come under being "humour"?
>
> At least since 1420 or so (Oswald von Wolkenstein, "Durch Barbarei,
> Arabia"). There are probably way older examples.
Yes, the same time period tha
On Sun, Nov 23 2008, Federico Di Gregorio wrote:
> Yes (I'd find it funny). That's what humour is.
hen you are a retrograde, beetle browed moron.
manoj
ha ha
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On Sun Nov 23, 2008 at 22:17:44 +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> FWIW we had this discussion already:
>
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/01/msg00920.html
>
> Could we fucking stop repeating the same old discussions over and over
> and over ? every two year we troll about firmwares, bad
On dim, nov 23, 2008 at 05:52:46 +, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote:
> I found it generally hilarious and a well-made point, though I agree the
> presentation could have been in better taste.
On dim, nov 23, 2008 at 08:23:02 +, Amaya wrote:
> Steve Kemp wrote:
> > with debian-women making s
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 01:57:28PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> Since when have sexist remarks come under being "humour"? If you
> think locker room conversations and objectification of women are funny,
Maybe I'm missing something. Which parts of the original email, specifically,
were
Steve Kemp wrote:
> with debian-women making strides forward it seems this was a step
> backward.
Same here
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On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 3:36 PM, Miriam Ruiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm very dissappointed with this, to be honest.
Agreed - devel-announce is for, um, project announcements. Not a jokes
list. And with the large and varied group of users and developers
Debian has, tact and tolerance are a go
Federico Di Gregorio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Il giorno dom, 23/11/2008 alle 17.32 +, Steve Kemp ha scritto:
>> On Sun Nov 23, 2008 at 17:59:13 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
>>> - Send your private Debian GPG Key to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Include
>>>the brand of your perfume and the colo
Il giorno dom, 23/11/2008 alle 13.57 -0600, Manoj Srivastava ha scritto:
> On Sun, Nov 23 2008, Federico Di Gregorio wrote:
>
> > Il giorno dom, 23/11/2008 alle 17.32 +, Steve Kemp ha scritto:
> >> On Sun Nov 23, 2008 at 17:59:13 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> >>
> >> > - Send your private
2008/11/23 Amaya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Steve Kemp wrote:
>> with debian-women making strides forward it seems this was a step
>> backward.
>
> Same here
+1
I'm very dissappointed with this, to be honest.
Greetings,
Miry
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* Manoj Srivastava:
> Since when have sexist remarks come under being "humour"?
At least since 1420 or so (Oswald von Wolkenstein, "Durch Barbarei,
Arabia"). There are probably way older examples.
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On Sun, Nov 23 2008, Federico Di Gregorio wrote:
> Il giorno dom, 23/11/2008 alle 17.32 +, Steve Kemp ha scritto:
>> On Sun Nov 23, 2008 at 17:59:13 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
>>
>> > - Send your private Debian GPG Key to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Include
>> >the brand of your perfume and th
On Sun, 23 Nov 2008, Federico Di Gregorio wrote:
> Il giorno dom, 23/11/2008 alle 17.32 +, Steve Kemp ha scritto:
> > On Sun Nov 23, 2008 at 17:59:13 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> >
> > > - Send your private Debian GPG Key to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Include
> > >the brand of your perfume and
On Sun Nov 23, 2008 at 19:52:46 +0200, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote:
> > > - Send your private Debian GPG Key to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Include
> > >the brand of your perfume and the color of the make-up.
> >
> > I find it disappointing to see this posted, and in bad taste.
>
> I found it gene
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 05:32:12PM +, Steve Kemp wrote:
> On Sun Nov 23, 2008 at 17:59:13 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
>
> > - Send your private Debian GPG Key to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Include
> >the brand of your perfume and the color of the make-up.
>
> I find it disappointing to see t
Il giorno dom, 23/11/2008 alle 17.32 +, Steve Kemp ha scritto:
> On Sun Nov 23, 2008 at 17:59:13 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
>
> > - Send your private Debian GPG Key to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Include
> >the brand of your perfume and the color of the make-up.
>
> I find it disappointing t
Sure, the first message shouldn't have been on announce, but its
impossible to fix a wrong with yet another wrong.
Thanks,
On Nov 23, 2008, at 10:59 AM, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Hi
SmellyWerewolf.com are kindly offering every Debian Developer a
discount
on their whole perfumes and make-u
On Sun Nov 23, 2008 at 17:59:13 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> - Send your private Debian GPG Key to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Include
>the brand of your perfume and the color of the make-up.
I find it disappointing to see this posted, and in bad taste.
I'm sure I'm not alone.
Steve
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