Re: Screenshots of GUI applications (again)

2008-07-25 Thread Ben Finney
Jon Dowland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I would like to raise the issue of licensing. Is a screenshot a > derivative work from which it is taken? Could it therefore fall > under the same license as the parent (or in the case of the GPL, > have to fall under the same license)? By my understandin

Re: Screenshots of GUI applications (again)

2008-07-25 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 9:40 PM, Jon Dowland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would like to raise the issue of licensing. This is being looked into by SPI's legal counsel. I'll be sure to forward the findings to the games-thumbnails bug and debian-legal. -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulW

Re: Screenshots of GUI applications (again)

2008-07-25 Thread James Vega
On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 02:40:20PM +0100, Jon Dowland wrote: > On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 05:05:03PM +0200, Christoph Haas wrote: > > the matter has been discussed at least twice already. Roberto C. Sanchez > > brought the matter back up in January 2008. > > On d-d? I can't find that thread in the l

Re: Screenshots of GUI applications (again)

2008-07-25 Thread Jon Dowland
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 05:05:03PM +0200, Christoph Haas wrote: > the matter has been discussed at least twice already. Roberto C. Sanchez > brought the matter back up in January 2008. On d-d? I can't find that thread in the list archives... I would like to raise the issue of licensing. Is a scr

Re: Screenshots of GUI applications (again)

2008-07-23 Thread John H. Robinson, IV
Drake Wilson wrote: > > Well, there's a difference between "one application is one window" and > "one screenshot is one window"; if you have multiple windows in a > single screenshot then you have to have the decorations so that you > can tell them apart, so none of the above comes into play. One

Re: Screenshots of GUI applications (again)

2008-07-23 Thread Drake Wilson
Quoth Stefano Zacchiroli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 2008-07-24 00:33:01 +0200: > On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 11:53:14AM -0500, Drake Wilson wrote: > > One data point: a screenshot with no window decorations loses a small > > amount of information, primarily the caption used for the window. > > Interesting

Re: Screenshots of GUI applications (again)

2008-07-23 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 11:53:14AM -0500, Drake Wilson wrote: > One data point: a screenshot with no window decorations loses a small > amount of information, primarily the caption used for the window. > Interesting ways of working around this might involve storing the > caption as metadata, or sto

Re: Screenshots of GUI applications (again)

2008-07-23 Thread Drake Wilson
Quoth Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 2008-07-23 12:45:03 -0400: > I don't buy that a screenshot without window decorations somehow > looks funny. One data point: a screenshot with no window decorations loses a small amount of information, primarily the caption used for the window. Interesting w

Re: Screenshots of GUI applications (again)

2008-07-23 Thread Enrico Zini
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 05:24:44PM +0200, Michael Banck wrote: > Before people submit dozens of screenshots all looking slightly > different, I suggest first deciding on some standards, like making sure > screenshots use the default GTK or Qt theme Debian uses. Back when I was involved in the Ubu

Re: Screenshots of GUI applications (again)

2008-07-23 Thread Joey Hess
Michael Banck wrote: > Also, we should probably include window decorations to not make the > screenshot look funny I don't buy that a screenshot without window decorations somehow looks funny. However, if an implementation wants to, it can decorate a screenshot at display time with whatever decora

Re: Screenshots of GUI applications (again)

2008-07-22 Thread Raphael Geissert
Christoph Haas wrote: > > Actually that doesn't sound too hard. And it would be a neat little > service. Let me know what you think and please step forward if you are > already working on something like that. These links might be of your interest: http://websvn.kde.org/*checkout*/trunk/l10n-kde3/

Re: Screenshots of GUI applications (again)

2008-07-22 Thread Raphael Geissert
Gunnar Wolf wrote: > John H. Robinson, IV dijo [Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 08:50:26AM -0700]: >> I like the url suggestion. I propose one modification: >> >> http://screenshots.d.n//0 >> http://screenshots.d.n//1 >> http://screenshots.d.n//n >> >> where image 0 is the default image displayed in

Re: Screenshots of GUI applications (again)

2008-07-22 Thread Raphael Geissert
Paul Wise wrote: > On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 11:05 PM, Christoph Haas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> (I can program that if needed. The only problem is probably >> authenticating the maintainer. Maybe a simple email interface >> checking PGP signatures will do. Needs further brainstorming.) >

Re: Screenshots of GUI applications (again)

2008-07-22 Thread Gunnar Wolf
John H. Robinson, IV dijo [Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 08:50:26AM -0700]: > I like the url suggestion. I propose one modification: > > http://screenshots.d.n//0 > http://screenshots.d.n//1 > http://screenshots.d.n//n > > where image 0 is the default image displayed in rendering agent. For > simpli

Re: Screenshots of GUI applications (again)

2008-07-22 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 11:05 PM, Christoph Haas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > (I can program that if needed. The only problem is probably > authenticating the maintainer. Maybe a simple email interface > checking PGP signatures will do. Needs further brainstorming.) This is something that non-

Re: Screenshots of GUI applications (again)

2008-07-22 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
Christoph, Thanks for prodding again on this matter. I've been extremely busy. On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 05:05:03PM +0200, Christoph Haas wrote: > Dear list... > > the matter has been discussed at least twice already. Roberto C. Sanchez > brought the matter back up in January 2008. The response

Re: Screenshots of GUI applications (again)

2008-07-22 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 22 Jul 2008, Christoph Haas wrote: > - Propose a new optional debian/control field "X-Screenshot:" pointing to > an URL serving an image file (PNG, JPG) > [debian-devel-announce as soon as we are ready?] You don't need/want such a field. It serves no practical purpose. There's no reaso

Re: Screenshots of GUI applications (again)

2008-07-22 Thread John H. Robinson, IV
Leo costela Antunes wrote: > > You could adopt a standard url syntax for referring to specific packages > (like screenshots.d.n/) and create a way for > maintainers to upload screenshots to it (via email, as you suggested, > perhaps). > > This way we don't have to change anything in our infrastru

Re: Screenshots of GUI applications (again)

2008-07-22 Thread John H. Robinson, IV
Michael Banck wrote: > On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 05:05:03PM +0200, Christoph Haas wrote: > > So I'd like to get things moving. I assume we had to do this: > > Before people submit dozens of screenshots all looking slightly > different, I suggest first deciding on some standards, like making sure > s

Re: Screenshots of GUI applications (again)

2008-07-22 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Michael Banck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [080722 17:27]: > Before people submit dozens of screenshots all looking slightly > different, I suggest first deciding on some standards, like making sure > screenshots use the default GTK or Qt theme Debian uses. > > Also, we should probably include window deco

Re: Screenshots of GUI applications (again)

2008-07-22 Thread Paul Wise
A note: the games team has implemented goplay (debtags based game browser that uses games-thumbnails) and games-thumbnails (a big .deb of small screenshots). -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Co

Re: Screenshots of GUI applications (again)

2008-07-22 Thread Michael Banck
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 05:05:03PM +0200, Christoph Haas wrote: > So I'd like to get things moving. I assume we had to do this: Before people submit dozens of screenshots all looking slightly different, I suggest first deciding on some standards, like making sure screenshots use the default GTK or

Re: Screenshots of GUI applications (again)

2008-07-22 Thread Leo "costela" Antunes
Hi, Christoph Haas wrote: > - Propose a new optional debian/control field "X-Screenshot:" pointing to > an URL serving an image file (PNG, JPG) I don't think this is needed and could significantly bloat Packages.gz > - Create a new tree on hg.debian.org to host screenshots. > - Alternatively

Screenshots of GUI applications (again)

2008-07-22 Thread Christoph Haas
Dear list... the matter has been discussed at least twice already. Roberto C. Sanchez brought the matter back up in January 2008. The response was very positive but nobody wanted to implement that. Several Debian end users in my circle would surely be happy about having screenshots available fo