Re: Redefining critical bug severity

2014-05-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, May 20 2014, Russ Allbery wrote: > Arto Jantunen writes: > >> Because a package that doesn't work at all (and thus breaks rdeps) isn't >> as broken as a package that wipes the root fs on installation. > > Note that the latter breaks the whole system, and hence is critical > regardless of

Re: Redefining critical bug severity

2014-05-20 Thread Russ Allbery
Arto Jantunen writes: > Because a package that doesn't work at all (and thus breaks rdeps) isn't > as broken as a package that wipes the root fs on installation. Note that the latter breaks the whole system, and hence is critical regardless of this distinction. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org

Re: Redefining critical bug severity

2014-05-20 Thread Russ Allbery
Ian Jackson writes: > Don Armstrong writes: >> I'm OK with either adding additional clarification or adopting this >> language. > I agree with Manoj's point about the gap between Russ's wording and > the current one. I guess I'm still failing to understand why that gap is important. Maybe some

Re: Redefining critical bug severity

2014-05-20 Thread Arto Jantunen
Clint Adams writes: > On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 01:39:39PM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote: >> Or simply add a footnote stating that two packages are NOT unrelated >> if one depends on the other. > > Could someone explain why this is a useful distinction? Because a package that doesn't work at all (

Re: Redefining critical bug severity (was: how to deal with a missed so bump already uploaded ?)

2014-05-20 Thread Clint Adams
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 01:39:39PM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > Or simply add a footnote stating that two packages are NOT unrelated > if one depends on the other. Could someone explain why this is a useful distinction? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with

Re: Redefining critical bug severity (was: how to deal with a missed so bump already uploaded ?)

2014-05-20 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Ian Jackson: > People often won't read a footnote unless they > are tripped up by something in the main text. > I have to agree. s/footnote/remark/ (in the main text), then. -- -- Matthias Urlichs -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsub

Re: Redefining critical bug severity (was: how to deal with a missed so bump already uploaded ?)

2014-05-20 Thread Ian Jackson
Matthias Urlichs writes ("Re: Redefining critical bug severity (was: how to deal with a missed so bump already uploaded ?)"): > Ian Jackson: > > Would adding "totally" (or "utterly") before "unrelated" help perhaps ? > > Or simply add a fo

Re: Redefining critical bug severity (was: how to deal with a missed so bump already uploaded ?)

2014-05-20 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Ian Jackson: > Would adding "totally" (or "utterly") before "unrelated" help perhaps ? > Or simply add a footnote stating that two packages are NOT unrelated if one depends on the other. -- -- Matthias Urlichs -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subje

Re: Redefining critical bug severity (was: how to deal with a missed so bump already uploaded ?)

2014-05-20 Thread Ian Jackson
Don Armstrong writes ("Re: Redefining critical bug severity (was: how to deal with a missed so bump already uploaded ?)"): > I'm OK with either adding additional clarification or adopting this > language. I agree with Manoj's point about the gap between Russ's word

Re: Redefining critical bug severity (was: how to deal with a missed so bump already uploaded ?)

2014-05-19 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sat, 17 May 2014, Russ Allbery wrote: > I think defining critical as: > > makes the entire system unusable, or causes serious data loss, or > introduces a security hole on systems where you install the package > > is closer to how we actually use the severity, and would avoid some of >

Re: Redefining critical bug severity (was: how to deal with a missed so bump already uploaded ?)

2014-05-19 Thread Craig Small
On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 08:46:20AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > The confusion seems to always be around the "unrelated software" part of > that definition. The intended meaning is completely unrelated software on > the system, indicating a package that's mangling the system in some > fundamental w

Re: Redefining critical bug severity

2014-05-18 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 01:02:08PM -0700, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > Over the years, I've seen endless confusion about the current definition > > of a critical bug severity: Totally agree. > > makes unrelated software on the system (or the whole system) break, or > > causes serious data l

Re: Redefining critical bug severity

2014-05-17 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sat, May 17 2014, Russ Allbery wrote: > Over the years, I've seen endless confusion about the current definition > of a critical bug severity: > makes unrelated software on the system (or the whole system) break, or > causes serious data loss, or introduces a security hole on systems >

Re: Redefining critical bug severity (was: how to deal with a missed so bump already uploaded ?)

2014-05-17 Thread Josh Triplett
Russ Allbery wrote: > Over the years, I've seen endless confusion about the current definition > of a critical bug severity: > > makes unrelated software on the system (or the whole system) break, or > causes serious data loss, or introduces a security hole on systems > where you insta

Redefining critical bug severity (was: how to deal with a missed so bump already uploaded ?)

2014-05-17 Thread Russ Allbery
Julien Cristau writes: > On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 07:33:04 +0200, Tobias Frost wrote: >> IMHO the severity should be raised to critical as it breaks unrelated >> software. > Reverse dependencies are anything but unrelated. Over the years, I've seen endless confusion about the current definition