Scripsit Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Henning Makholm wrote:
>> Can tasksel tasks be manipulated programmatically with the same
>> apt/aptitude inferfaces that metapackages can?
> This question does not have a yes or no answer, the situation is rather
> more complex than that.
Concretely: In
I'm interested in a "utnubu desktop/minimal/standard" now in sid so
you see my metapackage upload. With Etch, i would like to add a
"utnubu desktop task" yes, but as i pointed out above it seems that we
will need more than a simple task. I can help with code if -boot
agree.
What do you intend t
On Tue, 2006-04-25 at 08:48, Joey Hess wrote:
> FWIW, I advocated using packages with collections of recommends as task
> packages when the task system was being designed, but the idea was
> discarded for various reasons. You can find the full details of that
> decision in the threads starting here
Henning Makholm wrote:
> Can tasksel tasks be manipulated programmatically with the same
> apt/aptitude inferfaces that metapackages can?
This question does not have a yes or no answer, the situation is rather
more complex than that.
FWIW, I advocated using packages with collections of recommends
Scripsit Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> On Sun, Apr 23, 2006 at 07:56:18PM -0700, Mike Bird wrote:
>> On Sun, 2006-04-23 at 19:42, Steve Langasek wrote:
>> > Having the metapackage kicked out of testing and having the release team
>> > refuse to help you get it back into the release because
On Sun, Apr 23, 2006 at 07:56:18PM -0700, Mike Bird wrote:
> On Sun, 2006-04-23 at 19:42, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > On Sun, Apr 23, 2006 at 06:59:41PM -0700, Mike Bird wrote:
> > > * "Clogging Britney" is subjective.
> > Having the metapackage kicked out of testing and having the release team
> >
David Nusinow wrote:
> I don't think the target market for tasksel is fundamentally different from
> that of the large metapackages like kde or xorg. People make exactly the
> same complaints about metapackages. What I'm proposing is that we eliminate
> the distinction entirely and just move the ma
On Sun, 2006-04-23 at 19:42, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 23, 2006 at 06:59:41PM -0700, Mike Bird wrote:
> > * "Clogging Britney" is subjective.
>
> Having the metapackage kicked out of testing and having the release team
> refuse to help you get it back into the release because you ignored
On Sun, Apr 23, 2006 at 06:59:41PM -0700, Mike Bird wrote:
> On Sun, 2006-04-23 at 13:57, Joey Hess wrote:
> > In the head of this thread, I posted a message listing several problems
> > with metapackages. All of these problems may not apply to all
> > metapackages at all times, but in sum they all
On Sun, Apr 23, 2006 at 07:40:08PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> David Nusinow wrote:
> > I think a fundamental problem is that we're seeing is that tasksel hasn't
> > generally been sold very well to anyone. I've tried myself to push it
> > towards users in #debian, but immediately people hop up and c
On Sun, 2006-04-23 at 13:57, Joey Hess wrote:
> In the head of this thread, I posted a message listing several problems
> with metapackages. All of these problems may not apply to all
> metapackages at all times, but in sum they all apply in general and are
> a good reason not to use metapackages f
Frans Pop wrote:
> IMO that is not really a very nice policy. Wouldn't it be possible to
> update the meta packages after each KDE transition has settled down?
>
> Seems to me that there are not that many KDE releases that could not be
> done and it would help the general quality of testing.
It
On Sunday 23 April 2006 23:14, Luk Claes wrote:
> Note that the KDE meta packages are only really taken care of near a
> release because of the transitioning problems... If the meta packages
> get to testing earlier it's very probable they will not be installable
> for a long time...
IMO that is n
Gustavo Franco wrote:
> Yes, that's a problem but i would like to see these metapackages only
> in sid, see below my purposes...
Hmm, my own experience with maintaining a package that never got out of
sid is that it's a waste of time..
> > * Their all or nothing nature making it a pain to put th
David Nusinow wrote:
> I think a fundamental problem is that we're seeing is that tasksel hasn't
> generally been sold very well to anyone. I've tried myself to push it
> towards users in #debian, but immediately people hop up and cry out that
> it's crap, despite my protests. Whether it's ignorant
Michael Banck wrote:
> Can you maybe explain what the current status is for those of us who
> haven't installed etch lately and/or ran tasksel?
>
> IIRC Frans Pop said at FOSDEM that some changes for the desktop task
> were implemented since sarge, I don't remember what exactly that was.
> E.g., c
On Sun, Apr 23, 2006 at 04:57:42PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> So far this entire thread has managed to be a useless distraction from
> the question at hand, which is how to make Debian's desktop task the
> best collection of packages it can be. I hope that if Gustavo hasn't
> been scared off by the
On Sun, Apr 23, 2006 at 04:57:42PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> So far this entire thread has managed to be a useless distraction from
> the question at hand, which is how to make Debian's desktop task the
> best collection of packages it can be. I hope that if Gustavo hasn't
> been scared off by the
On Sun, Apr 23, 2006 at 11:14:53PM +0200, Luk Claes wrote:
> Note that the KDE meta packages are only really taken care of near a
> release because of the transitioning problems... If the meta packages
> get to testing earlier it's very probable they will not be installable
> for a long time...
Th
On 4/23/06, Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gustavo Franco blogged:
> > In Ubuntu there' s ubuntu-meta source package that results in
> > [ubuntu-minimal][1], [ubuntu-standard][2] and [ubuntu-desktop][3]. They're
> > metapackages and the list of packages is built with a tool called germinate
Joey Hess wrote:
> Mike Bird wrote:
>> Metapackages are great. Need to add KDE to a system? Wham. Done.
>> If you don't like them, don't install them.
>
> The kde metpackage is a spacial case, since KDE is all one related
> thing, that shares a release schedule. And yet it still causes many of
Mike Bird wrote:
> However, metapackage equivalents of Debian tasks would have much
> more reasonable numbers of dependencies - I think "desktop" is
> the most complex with 18.
In the head of this thread, I posted a message listing several problems
with metapackages. All of these problems may not
On Sun, 2006-04-23 at 12:23, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote:
> Hmmm... I'm not an expert but I think it goes like this:
>
> - metapackage in 'testing' which (unversioned) depends: A and B
> (in testing A, version 1, and B, version 1, get along together)
> - The maintainers decide that, fo
On Sun, Apr 23, 2006 at 11:20:04AM -0700, Mike Bird wrote:
> On Sun, 2006-04-23 at 11:06, Florian Weimer wrote:
> > > Ideally, tasksel would be changed to use the dependencies of
> > > any meta package WITHOUT installing the meta package.
> >
> > This doesn't address the issues with testing migrat
On Sun, 2006-04-23 at 11:06, Florian Weimer wrote:
> > Ideally, tasksel would be changed to use the dependencies of
> > any meta package WITHOUT installing the meta package.
>
> This doesn't address the issues with testing migration at all.
Maybe I'm a slow learner. How does adding a package wit
* Mike Bird:
> Metapackages are great. Need to add KDE to a system? Wham. Done.
> If you don't like them, don't install them.
The KDE case is different because the dependencies of the kde package
are already intertwined.
> Ideally, tasksel would be changed to use the dependencies of
> any met
Mike Bird wrote:
> Metapackages are great. Need to add KDE to a system? Wham. Done.
> If you don't like them, don't install them.
The kde metpackage is a spacial case, since KDE is all one related
thing, that shares a release schedule. And yet it still causes many of
the problems I mentioned. T
On Sun, 2006-04-23 at 10:18, Joey Hess wrote:
> Gustavo Franco blogged:
> > In Ubuntu there' s ubuntu-meta source package that results in
> > [ubuntu-minimal][1], [ubuntu-standard][2] and [ubuntu-desktop][3]. They're
> > metapackages and the list of packages is built with a tool called germinate
>
Gustavo Franco blogged:
> In Ubuntu there' s ubuntu-meta source package that results in
> [ubuntu-minimal][1], [ubuntu-standard][2] and [ubuntu-desktop][3]. They're
> metapackages and the list of packages is built with a tool called germinate
> based on a seed in the web. I've a [branch of cjwatson
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