Re: using upstart in Debian [was, Re: Debian systemd survey]

2013-05-25 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 24 mai 2013 12:29 CEST, Dmitrijs Ledkovs  : > The best way to run daemons under upstart is in foreground, then > correct PID is tracked and the complete stdout/stderr is properly > collected and stored in /var/log/upstart/$job.log (even early boot > output). The best way to run a daemon under

Re: using upstart in Debian [was, Re: Debian systemd survey]

2013-05-24 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 12:29:07PM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: > On 24/05/13 11:29, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: > > As far as I understand (correct me if I am wrong), systemd instead of > > counting/tracking forks uses cgroups to keep track of the started > > processes. > systemd uses cgroups to trac

Re: using upstart in Debian [was, Re: Debian systemd survey]

2013-05-24 Thread Ole Laursen
Dmitrijs Ledkovs debian.org> writes: >> Also on technical merits although more philosophically, with Upstart you're >> expressing yourself in an event-based DSL rather than writing configuration >> files. It's pretty generic. But unfortunately, that means it's also not >> entirely straightforward

Re: using upstart in Debian [was, Re: Debian systemd survey]

2013-05-24 Thread Simon McVittie
On 24/05/13 11:29, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: > As far as I understand (correct me if I am wrong), systemd instead of > counting/tracking forks uses cgroups to keep track of the started > processes. systemd uses cgroups to track "which processes are part of this service?", which means the services ma

Re: using upstart in Debian [was, Re: Debian systemd survey]

2013-05-24 Thread Olav Vitters
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 11:29:27AM +0100, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: > Blog posts are interesting to read, but at times I'd like to look up > reference manuals which are more than bear minimal man pages. Whilst > systemd ships manpages, the website has either incorrectly formatted > wiki-pages and/or

Re: using upstart in Debian [was, Re: Debian systemd survey]

2013-05-24 Thread Dmitrijs Ledkovs
On 23 May 2013 10:37, Ole Laursen wrote: > Steve Langasek debian.org> writes: >> Sorry you ran into trouble with upstart. > > Not a DD, just a happy Debian user, hope you'll excuse me, but on the topic > of Upstart, I have some technical comments on why, surprisingly, I think it > may not be matu

Re: using upstart in Debian [was, Re: Debian systemd survey]

2013-05-24 Thread Bernd Schubert
On 05/22/2013 06:19 PM, Steve Langasek wrote: On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 03:39:00PM +0200, Bernd Schubert wrote: On 05/22/2013 04:50 AM, Uoti Urpala wrote: Lucas Nussbaum wrote: I went through the various init systems threads again during the last few days. My understanding of the consensus so fa

Re: using upstart in Debian [was, Re: Debian systemd survey]

2013-05-24 Thread Ole Laursen
Steve Langasek debian.org> writes: > Sorry you ran into trouble with upstart. Not a DD, just a happy Debian user, hope you'll excuse me, but on the topic of Upstart, I have some technical comments on why, surprisingly, I think it may not be mature enough yet. A couple of years ago I was doing em

Re: using upstart in Debian [was, Re: Debian systemd survey]

2013-05-22 Thread Daniel Baumann
On 05/22/2013 06:19 PM, Steve Langasek wrote: > I'm skeptical of the value of such a design in place of just using > an initramfs, but the 'friendly-recovery' package in Ubuntu gives > an example of to do this. live-config-upstart needs the same to be useful. personally i have no experience with u