Am 10.06.2013 11:10, schrieb Josselin Mouette:
> What is new is that PackageKit asks for a system update *systematically*
> when it finds the system is not up-to-date. I don’t know why, but it
> seems to have started with the wheezy release, it did not happen during
> the freeze.
When I first got
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 10:22:32AM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> [...]
> I've also seen another laptop that is on the fringe of a wifi coverage
> zone getting into a bad state where multiple copies of the wifi password
> window appear - if the laptop is unattended for a few hours, you can
> come ba
On 11/06/13 01:11, Michael Banck wrote:
> Hi Daniel,
>
> On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 09:24:39PM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote:
>> Every copy of jessie could be distributed with one of the red hoods
>> referred to in this article:
>>
>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/edward-snowden-nsa-whistle
On 11/06/13 00:37, Jens Roder wrote:
> Hello,
>
> just like to add that today this "feature" with the popup blocked my gnome
> within the suspend procedure, which I did not see but got a hot running
> laptop in the bag. When I opened the laptop again I saw the problem and when
> clicking on canc
Am 10.06.2013 11:10, schrieb Josselin Mouette:
> I consider it a bug, and one that we should aim to fix in the first
> wheezy point release.
nod. that said, the first point release is basically done, so this will
have to wait for 7.2
--
Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent
Hi Daniel,
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 09:24:39PM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> Every copy of jessie could be distributed with one of the red hoods
> referred to in this article:
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/edward-snowden-nsa-whistleblower-surveillance
>
> I presume it has some k
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 08:04:27AM +0800, Chow Loong Jin wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 09, 2013 at 01:06:40PM -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote:
> > [...]
> > In my gross stupidity this seems like a nonissue. How does a popup
> > asking for your root p/w differ from using the CLI, typing "su" and
> > being asked
Hello,
just like to add that today this "feature" with the popup blocked my gnome
within the suspend procedure, which I did not see but got a hot running laptop
in the bag. When I opened the laptop again I saw the problem and when clicking
on cancel, the laptop finally when to suspend.
I thin
On 10/06/13 16:51, Simon McVittie wrote:
> On 10/06/13 15:36, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:
>> Simon McVittie writes:
>>> * ability to use system-modal prompting or a secure input path
>>> (partially done by PK under GNOME Shell, likely to get better
>>> under Wayland, not supporte
On 10/06/13 15:36, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:
> Simon McVittie writes:
>> * ability to use system-modal prompting or a secure input path
>> (partially done by PK under GNOME Shell, likely to get better
>> under Wayland, not supported by sudo or su)
>
> Not relevant to the current
Simon McVittie writes:
> * ability to use system-modal prompting or a secure input path
> (partially done by PK under GNOME Shell, likely to get better
> under Wayland, not supported by sudo or su)
Not relevant to the current discussion but this got me curious: can the
input path
Simon McVittie writes ("Re: security policy / root passwords"):
> * splitting privileged actions into an unprivileged GUI and a
> privileged daemon, rather than running the GUI with privileges
> (supported and encouraged by PK, not well-supported by sudo or
On 10/06/13 13:54, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> That screenshot appears to be Gnome 3. I log in with Gnome Classic so
> maybe I'm experiencing something different.
I did say "GNOME Shell". The "fallback" GNOME 3.4 session (which might
well be called "Classic" in the UI in wheezy) doesn't use Shell, so
Daniel Pocock wrote:
> It was also demonstrated with Windows 7 that users could be tricked by
> web sites that simply dimmed the background of the browser window - so
> it is not a perfect solution and I would personally prefer to see users
> referred to initiate "su" or "sudo" on their own.
Initi
On 10/06/13 14:12, Simon McVittie wrote:
> On 10/06/13 12:34, Daniel Pocock wrote:
>> a) a web site displaying a "PolicyKit" popup that resembles the wording
>> of the Debian popup
> GNOME Shell does mitigate this by using a distinctive UI for
> "system-modal dialogs", which makes use of the fact t
On 10/06/13 12:34, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> a) a web site displaying a "PolicyKit" popup that resembles the wording
> of the Debian popup
GNOME Shell does mitigate this by using a distinctive UI for
"system-modal dialogs", which makes use of the fact that the Shell is
the window compositor in order
On 10/06/13 10:21, Alexey Serikov wrote:
> A few points:
>
> 1) if your user is part of sudo group, most of the time gnome will ask
> for your user's password instead of root's.
> 2) Debian is a finite set of software. It provides packages (literally
> thousands of them) that are stable, safe and m
Hi,
Le dimanche 09 juin 2013 à 18:45 +0200, Daniel Pocock a écrit :
> There have been multiple complaints about the new Gnome popup asking for
> the root password
>
> I opened a bug for discussion about the issue, but it was closed by
> another DD (not the maintainer) - [1]. Other users have co
A few points:
1) if your user is part of sudo group, most of the time gnome will ask for
your user's password instead of root's.
2) Debian is a finite set of software. It provides packages (literally
thousands of them) that are stable, safe and malicious pop-ups free. It
also provides packages ena
Michael Banck writes:
>> I think the best approach would be sudo and requesting the user for
>> their own password - and probably be more informative about why the
>> password is needed or what is being installed.
>
> By the way, this seems to be the case for my wheezy installation,
> however, I a
On Sun, Jun 09, 2013 at 07:20:16PM +0200, Michael Banck wrote:
> > Is there any policy within Debian about such matters, particularly for
> > packages that are a default part of the distribution? Is it too late to
> > remove this popup from wheezy?
>
> I think the best approach would be sudo and
On Sun, Jun 09, 2013 at 07:41:34PM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> My feeling is that the user should be told "go and run sudo or su in a
> terminal window you opened manually"
>
> Otherwise, they can't be sure they are putting their password in a
> genuine Debian popup.
Please explain your threat
On Sun, Jun 09, 2013 at 01:06:40PM -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote:
> [...]
> In my gross stupidity this seems like a nonissue. How does a popup
> asking for your root p/w differ from using the CLI, typing "su" and
> being asked for the root p/w? I'm assuming that the popup was in
> connection with a
On Sun, Jun 09, 2013 at 07:20:16PM +0200, Michael Banck wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 09, 2013 at 06:45:18PM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> > There have been multiple complaints about the new Gnome popup asking
> > for the root password
>
> I am not sure what you are complaining about - that you need to spe
Daniel Pocock writes:
> My feeling is that the user should be told "go and run sudo or su in a
> terminal window you opened manually"
I don't think terminal emulation is really a good solution here but your
idea does have some merits. Maybe you can make your own policykit agent
that asks for the
On 09/06/13 19:20, Michael Banck wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 09, 2013 at 06:45:18PM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote:
>> There have been multiple complaints about the new Gnome popup asking
>> for the root password
>
> I am not sure what you are complaining about - that you need to specify
> the root password
On Sun, Jun 09, 2013 at 06:45:18PM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> There have been multiple complaints about the new Gnome popup asking
> for the root password
I am not sure what you are complaining about - that you need to specify
the root password to install packages, or that gnome requests additi
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