Wouter Verhelst dijo [Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 12:12:23AM +0200]:
> The separation of a Debian menu and a "desktop" menu has been seen by
> some as a feature. I remember a post on Planet Debian by one of the
> GNOME maintainers (although I don't recall who it was) who explicitly
> said that he would no
Hello Josselin,
Am 2008-07-06 14:28:15, schrieb Josselin Mouette:
> the restrictions of the Debian menu system (no i18n support, 32x32 XPM
> icons, strict hierarchy), these goals are simply not compatible.
For "Fvwm" it is not right, since you can do
$[gt.&Hello]
and in the ~/.fvwm/config I
On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 6:12 AM, Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Second: XDG has less features than debian-menu currently does. For
> instance, unless I'm mistaken it's not possible to specify in an XDG
> .desktop file that a particular application is a curses or similar
> application
On Sat, Jul 05, 2008 at 03:15:28AM -0500, William Pitcock wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Sat, 2008-07-05 at 02:42 -0400, Daniel Dickinson wrote:
> > For discussion:
> >
> > Gnome, KDE, and XFCE are the the top three desktops used in debian and
> > cover most users of desktops in debian.
> >
> > They all us
Charles Plessy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I think that Russ is very pessimistic on the quality of the XDG desktop
> entry sepcification. It uses a simple syntax and 18 different keys, only
> 4 of them being required. Many of the Lintian errors noted earlier in
> this thread are related to the d
Le Sat, Jul 05, 2008 at 12:35:34PM -0700, Russ Allbery a écrit :
>
>
> I think that writing a policy is the first necessary step and is the main
> thing required to move this conversation beyond a constantly recurring
> debian-devel thread and towards something that we can implement. Just
> sayi
On Sun, Jul 06, 2008 at 01:08:40PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > Therefore, I still feel that, despite it being a big mess, the current
> > situation is the best:
> > * the default menu contains only what is needed, and we are still
> > hunting down entries tha
Le lundi 07 juillet 2008 à 02:48 -0400, Daniel Dickinson a écrit :
> And depends on the package maintainer being cooperative. Because there
> is no debian policy on this if a package maintainer disagrees they
> don't have to hide their menu entry.
Yes, that’s probably the most important issue wi
Le dimanche 06 juillet 2008 à 21:01 +0200, Loïc Minier a écrit :
> There are "only" 47 desktop files with OnlyShowIn on my system out of
> 218 desktop files installed, so it's not used too wildly I would say.
Well, there should be much more than that, see #478286 which is still
here despite the
On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 13:43:59 +0700
Mikhail Gusarov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Twas brillig at 18:52:35 06.07.2008 UTC-04 when [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> did gyre and gimble:
>
> >> fd.o menus are designed to allow distro-specific policy. It's the
> >> matter of Debian KDE/Gnome packaging/menu policy
On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 13:43:59 +0700
Mikhail Gusarov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Twas brillig at 18:52:35 06.07.2008 UTC-04 when [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> did gyre and gimble:
>
> >> fd.o menus are designed to allow distro-specific policy. It's the
> >> matter of Debian KDE/Gnome packaging/menu policy
On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 13:41:30 -0400
Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Mikhail Gusarov wrote:
> > fd.o menus are designed to allow distro-specific policy. It's the
> > matter of Debian KDE/Gnome packaging/menu policy to get the proper
> > subset of the packages in menu (e.g. moving Gnome/gtk app
Twas brillig at 18:52:35 06.07.2008 UTC-04 when [EMAIL PROTECTED] did gyre and
gimble:
>> fd.o menus are designed to allow distro-specific policy. It's the
>> matter of Debian KDE/Gnome packaging/menu policy to get the proper
>> subset of the packages in menu (e.g. moving Gnome/gtk application
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 1:41 AM, Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> (Just for example, I recently orphaned xgalaga, so its new maintainers
> decided to do something about #432398, which I had been sitting on for
> some time as this issue was not resolved. Now I check my gnome machine
> and it h
On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 00:13:30 +0700
Mikhail Gusarov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Twas brillig at 13:08:40 06.07.2008 UTC-04 when [EMAIL PROTECTED] did
> gyre and gimble:
>
> JH> So, after sufficient time, the gnome menu will contain a random
> JH> assortment of the menu items that also appear in
On 2008-07-06, Loïc Minier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > of Debian KDE/Gnome packaging/menu policy to get the proper subset of
>> > the packages in menu (e.g. moving Gnome/gtk applications deeper in KDE
>> > menu and Qt/KDE - in Gnome one).
>>
>> The users should have equal access to good progra
On Sun, Jul 06, 2008, Sune Vuorela wrote:
> On 2008-07-06, Mikhail Gusarov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > fd.o menus are designed to allow distro-specific policy. It's the matter
> > of Debian KDE/Gnome packaging/menu policy to get the proper subset of
> > the packages in menu (e.g. moving Gnome/gt
On 2008-07-06, Mikhail Gusarov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> fd.o menus are designed to allow distro-specific policy. It's the matter
> of Debian KDE/Gnome packaging/menu policy to get the proper subset of
> the packages in menu (e.g. moving Gnome/gtk applications deeper in KDE
> menu and Qt/KDE - i
Mikhail Gusarov wrote:
> fd.o menus are designed to allow distro-specific policy. It's the matter
> of Debian KDE/Gnome packaging/menu policy to get the proper subset of
> the packages in menu (e.g. moving Gnome/gtk applications deeper in KDE
> menu and Qt/KDE - in Gnome one).
That might work for
On Sun, Jul 06, 2008 at 01:08:40PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > Therefore, I still feel that, despite it being a big mess, the current
> > situation is the best:
> > * the default menu contains only what is needed, and we are still
> > hunting down entries tha
Twas brillig at 13:08:40 06.07.2008 UTC-04 when [EMAIL PROTECTED] did gyre and
gimble:
JH> So, after sufficient time, the gnome menu will contain a random
JH> assortment of the menu items that also appear in the debian menu.
fd.o menus are designed to allow distro-specific policy. It's the mat
Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Therefore, I still feel that, despite it being a big mess, the current
> situation is the best:
> * the default menu contains only what is needed, and we are still
> hunting down entries that are useless to make them not show up
> by default;
>
On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 14:28:15 +0200, Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Therefore, I still feel that, despite it being a big mess, the current
situation is the best:
* the default menu contains only what is needed, and we are still
hunting down entries that are useless to
Le samedi 05 juillet 2008 à 02:42 -0400, Daniel Dickinson a écrit :
> Gnome, KDE, and XFCE are the the top three desktops used in debian and
> cover most users of desktops in debian.
>
> They all use xdg .desktop-based menus as their main menu.
The last time this discussion was raised up, the cle
Charles Plessy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> If the Debian menu system replaces the .menu format by the .desktop
> format for its files, I volunteer to work hard on helping the
> transition.
>
> Using natively the .desktop format would suppress the need for
> maintaining two files in parallel in m
Le Sat, Jul 05, 2008 at 10:54:30AM +0200, Thomas Viehmann a écrit :
> it lacks people doing the work
Hi all
If the Debian menu system replaces the .menu format by the .desktop
format for its files, I volunteer to work hard on helping the
transition.
Using natively the .desktop format would suppr
* Daniel Dickinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [080705 09:05]:
> xdg .desktop-based menus are not covered by policy.
I think this is an important point to acknowledge by all people wanting
to see more .desktop files: There is no policy how to use the
fields in them. Currently most people just copy the fil
On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 10:54:30 +0200
Thomas Viehmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Paul Wise wrote:
> > On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 4:15 PM, William Pitcock
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> Honestly, policy really needs to be updated to use the XDG
> >> standards menu spec, and every WM at this po
On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 10:54:30 +0200
Thomas Viehmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> Another solution would be to make debian-menu build .desktop
> >> entries for the menu in the main menu namespace and not the
> >> 'Debian' namespace; this seems like the easiest solution.
>
> > +1
>
> I don'
Hi,
On Sat, 2008-07-05 at 01:46 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> You mean the specification that is followed mostly in the breech by actual
> implementations and to which KDE at least has a whole ton of extensions?
>
I think the XDG standard is actually *based* on the Desktop Entry spec
from KDE1/KD
Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> You mean the specification that is followed mostly in the breech by
> actual implementations and to which KDE at least has a whole ton of
> extensions?
Or in the breach, even. Although in the breech does sum up my opinion on
parts of it. :)
Some examp
Paul Wise wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 4:15 PM, William Pitcock
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Honestly, policy really needs to be updated to use the XDG standards
>> menu spec, and every WM at this point really should be using them for
>> their menus.
>>
>> I think the debian-menu system sh
William Pitcock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Honestly, policy really needs to be updated to use the XDG standards
> menu spec, and every WM at this point really should be using them for
> their menus.
You mean the specification that is followed mostly in the breech by actual
implementations and
On Sat, Jul 05, 2008 at 02:42:27AM -0400, Daniel Dickinson wrote:
> For discussion:
>
> Gnome, KDE, and XFCE are the the top three desktops used in debian and
> cover most users of desktops in debian.
>
> They all use xdg .desktop-based menus as their main menu.
You already opened a bug against
On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 4:15 PM, William Pitcock
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Honestly, policy really needs to be updated to use the XDG standards
> menu spec, and every WM at this point really should be using them for
> their menus.
>
> I think the debian-menu system should be seen as legacy, sinc
Hi,
On Sat, 2008-07-05 at 02:42 -0400, Daniel Dickinson wrote:
> For discussion:
>
> Gnome, KDE, and XFCE are the the top three desktops used in debian and
> cover most users of desktops in debian.
>
> They all use xdg .desktop-based menus as their main menu.
>
> xdg .desktop-based menus are no
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