Re: ftp-master, ftp and db .debian.org moving - hosting sought

2005-07-04 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 7/4/05, Mark Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Jul 04, 2005 at 08:05:21PM +0200, Olaf van der Spek wrote: > > > True. But for example, is the current apt-get capable of contacting > > another mirror if and only if the primary fails? > > For package downloads apt will try the sources i

Re: ftp-master, ftp and db .debian.org moving - hosting sought

2005-07-04 Thread Mark Brown
On Mon, Jul 04, 2005 at 08:05:21PM +0200, Olaf van der Spek wrote: > True. But for example, is the current apt-get capable of contacting > another mirror if and only if the primary fails? For package downloads apt will try the sources in the order listed in sources.list, only trying subsequent on

Re: ftp-master, ftp and db .debian.org moving - hosting sought

2005-07-04 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 7/4/05, Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Olaf van der Spek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I'm not sure how exactly the current mirrors work, but syncing > > (primary) mirrors between eachother instead of all from a master may > > be an idea. > > Mirrors are stacked in a tree (

Re: ftp-master, ftp and db .debian.org moving - hosting sought

2005-07-04 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Olaf van der Spek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 6/22/05, Peter Samuelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> [Olaf van der Spek] >> > I've been wondering, would it be an idea (for the long-term) to use >> > (more) distributed ... or p2p concepts to reduce the dependency and >> > load on central s

Re: ftp-master, ftp and db .debian.org moving - hosting sought

2005-06-26 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
On Sun, Jun 26, 2005 at 12:14:44PM -0400, sean finney wrote: > On Sun, Jun 26, 2005 at 06:05:25PM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > It was sent right after the hosting died. > > Should he sent "The hosting may die somewhere in the future, please > > offer something just in case we need it"? > > well

Re: ftp-master, ftp and db .debian.org moving - hosting sought

2005-06-26 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 6/26/05, Joerg Jaspert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 10332 March 1977, sean finney wrote: > > >> I'm sorry to say that Debian's hosting of machines at Above.Net has > >> come to an end. Michael Shields and Steve Osborn have hosted critical > > sorry to be a stick in the mud about this, but..

Re: ftp-master, ftp and db .debian.org moving - hosting sought

2005-06-26 Thread sean finney
On Sun, Jun 26, 2005 at 06:05:25PM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > It was sent right after the hosting died. > Should he sent "The hosting may die somewhere in the future, please > offer something just in case we need it"? well, i guess i don't know the details of the situation, but i would hope tha

Re: ftp-master, ftp and db .debian.org moving - hosting sought

2005-06-26 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 10332 March 1977, sean finney wrote: >> I'm sorry to say that Debian's hosting of machines at Above.Net has >> come to an end. Michael Shields and Steve Osborn have hosted critical > sorry to be a stick in the mud about this, but... > why wasn't this brought up *before* it was brought to an en

Re: ftp-master, ftp and db .debian.org moving - hosting sought

2005-06-25 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Jun 25, 2005 at 07:22:29PM -0400, sean finney wrote: > On Wed, Jun 22, 2005 at 09:25:12AM +0100, James Troup wrote: > > I'm sorry to say that Debian's hosting of machines at Above.Net has > > come to an end. Michael Shields and Steve Osborn have hosted critical > sorry to be a stick in th

Re: ftp-master, ftp and db .debian.org moving - hosting sought

2005-06-25 Thread sean finney
hi, On Wed, Jun 22, 2005 at 09:25:12AM +0100, James Troup wrote: > I'm sorry to say that Debian's hosting of machines at Above.Net has > come to an end. Michael Shields and Steve Osborn have hosted critical sorry to be a stick in the mud about this, but... why wasn't this brought up *before* it

Re: ftp-master, ftp and db .debian.org moving - hosting sought

2005-06-23 Thread Adrian von Bidder
On Wednesday 22 June 2005 20.02, Olaf van der Spek wrote: [debian infrastructure] > I've been wondering, would it be an idea (for the long-term) to use > (more) distributed ... or p2p concepts to reduce the dependency and > load on central servers? You said it yourself: in the long term. I think

Re: ftp-master, ftp and db .debian.org moving - hosting sought

2005-06-22 Thread Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stephen Frost wrote: :: Based on the requirements it seems unlikely Debian :: would be able to afford to pay for hosting very :: long with our current donation income amounts. :: Gigabit network connections and associated rack space :: is cheaper than

Re: ftp-master, ftp and db .debian.org moving - hosting sought

2005-06-22 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Unfortunatly the CCCP is currently maxed out on power in its existing > racks, so is not taking new clients, unless one moves. Is this true for its "sister sites" too? The web page says they have sites in Seattle, Chicago, Toronto, and Washington. Thomas

Re: ftp-master, ftp and db .debian.org moving - hosting sought

2005-06-22 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 6/22/05, Peter Samuelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [Olaf van der Spek] > > I've been wondering, would it be an idea (for the long-term) to use > > (more) distributed ... or p2p concepts to reduce the dependency and > > load on central servers? > > Please give some specific examples of wha

Re: ftp-master, ftp and db .debian.org moving - hosting sought

2005-06-22 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Olaf van der Spek] > I've been wondering, would it be an idea (for the long-term) to use > (more) distributed ... or p2p concepts to reduce the dependency and > load on central servers? Please give some specific examples of what you mean. Debian services are already distributed across a wide ra

Re: ftp-master, ftp and db .debian.org moving - hosting sought

2005-06-22 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On 6/22/05, Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > James Troup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > If you think you could offer hosting under these conditions, please > > send details to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I can't offer hosting, but I do have a suggestion (though perhaps it's > already

Re: ftp-master, ftp and db .debian.org moving - hosting sought

2005-06-22 Thread Joey Hess
Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > I can't offer hosting, but I do have a suggestion (though perhaps it's > already been considered and rejected). We could perhaps take > advantage of the California Community Colocation Project, which offers > free colocation for non-profits and individuals. Unfortunat

Re: ftp-master, ftp and db .debian.org moving - hosting sought

2005-06-22 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Wed, Jun 22, 2005 at 11:43:53AM +0200, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: > On Wed, June 22, 2005 11:36, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > > "Thijs Kinkhorst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> On Wed, June 22, 2005 10:25, James Troup wrote: > >>> o be a donation, i.e. gratis. Debian can't pay for it's own hostin

Re: ftp-master, ftp and db .debian.org moving - hosting sought

2005-06-22 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Jonas Meurer] > paying for any parts of infrastructure would delete the independance > from donations. debian was never depending on any donations, for > good reasons. if we change this, the next step will be that some > monstrous companies offer deals to us: "We give you money, you give > us XY

Re: ftp-master, ftp and db .debian.org moving - hosting sought

2005-06-22 Thread Jonas Meurer
On 22/06/2005 Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: > On Wed, June 22, 2005 10:25, James Troup wrote: > > o be a donation, i.e. gratis. Debian can't pay for it's own hosting. > > I was wondering about this statement. Debian receives monetary donations > and owns quite a lot of money - wouldn't paying for critic

Re: ftp-master, ftp and db .debian.org moving - hosting sought

2005-06-22 Thread Stephen Frost
* Thijs Kinkhorst ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Wed, June 22, 2005 11:36, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > > I think the point is that we ask for a donation before we spend money > > on it. > > Sure, but the statement quoted above rules it out entirely. "can't pay" is > pretty definitive. I'm wonder

Re: ftp-master, ftp and db .debian.org moving - hosting sought

2005-06-22 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Wed, June 22, 2005 11:36, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > "Thijs Kinkhorst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> On Wed, June 22, 2005 10:25, James Troup wrote: >>> o be a donation, i.e. gratis. Debian can't pay for it's own hosting. >> >> I was wondering about this statement. Debian receives monetary d

Re: ftp-master, ftp and db .debian.org moving - hosting sought

2005-06-22 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
"Thijs Kinkhorst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, June 22, 2005 10:25, James Troup wrote: >> o be a donation, i.e. gratis. Debian can't pay for it's own hosting. > > I was wondering about this statement. Debian receives monetary donations > and owns quite a lot of money - wouldn't paying fo

Re: ftp-master, ftp and db .debian.org moving - hosting sought

2005-06-22 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Wed, June 22, 2005 10:25, James Troup wrote: > o be a donation, i.e. gratis. Debian can't pay for it's own hosting. I was wondering about this statement. Debian receives monetary donations and owns quite a lot of money - wouldn't paying for critical parts of infrastructure like ftpmaster be mo

Re: ftp-master, ftp and db .debian.org moving - hosting sought

2005-06-22 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
James Troup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If you think you could offer hosting under these conditions, please > send details to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I can't offer hosting, but I do have a suggestion (though perhaps it's already been considered and rejected). We could perhaps take advantage of the C