Re: Shall Debian's su conform to other implementations

2005-11-14 Thread Lars Wirzenius
Loudly promoting my own software here... la, 2005-11-12 kello 10:39 -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh kirjoitti: > On Sat, 12 Nov 2005, Steve Langasek wrote: > > > Besides, depends/pre-depends and conflicts should be more than enough if > > > done right. > > > > Yes, this is what is meant by sup

Re: Shall Debian's su conform to other implementations

2005-11-12 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sat, 12 Nov 2005, Steve Langasek wrote: > > Besides, depends/pre-depends and conflicts should be more than enough if > > done right. > > Yes, this is what is meant by supporting partial upgrades. "Supporting Ah, ok. THAT is what I meant too, in a roundabout way. So we're in agreement. > pa

Re: Shall Debian's su conform to other implementations

2005-11-12 Thread Christian Perrier
> > New shadow would conflict with ALL packages that do not support the new > > syntax > > Unfortunately, yes; and we saw plenty of occasions in woody->sarge where > conflicts with old packages made the upgrade path more difficult than it > should have been... Up to now, we have identified pbui

Re: Shall Debian's su conform to other implementations

2005-11-12 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Nov 11, 2005 at 10:04:47AM -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > On Fri, 11 Nov 2005, Bill Allombert wrote: > > Whatever you choose to do, you need to take care of partial upgrade. > Not across released stable versions! Since when do we support > stable/stable+1 mixed systems? Since

Re: Shall Debian's su conform to other implementations

2005-11-11 Thread Christian Perrier
> e.g. you cannot fix Sarge pbuilder anyway, so etch su must work with sarge > pbuilder. That why it would have been better to announce the change before > Sarge release. Maybe, but unfortunately, this bug was properly analysed a few weeks *after* sarge release. Remember, there were over 150 ope

Re: Shall Debian's su conform to other implementations

2005-11-11 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Fri, 11 Nov 2005, Bill Allombert wrote: > Whatever you choose to do, you need to take care of partial upgrade. Not across released stable versions! Since when do we support stable/stable+1 mixed systems? Besides, depends/pre-depends and conflicts should be more than enough if done right. New

Re: Shall Debian's su conform to other implementations

2005-11-11 Thread Bill Allombert
On Sun, Nov 06, 2005 at 11:14:39PM +0100, Nicolas Fran?ois wrote: > Hi, > > In #276419, the bug submitter complained that when a command and some > arguments were passed to su, all these arguments were concatenated, and > provided to the shell -c option. > > This behavior differs from su on other