Re: SCC proposal (was: Re: Questions for the DPL candidates)

2005-03-15 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 04:06:35PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > > I am of the opinion that the testing distribution has been a great > help in releasing. >... Is this just a personal opinion or backed by any objective evaluation? I'm asking because as I've already expressed my impression

Re: SCC proposal (was: Re: Questions for the DPL candidates)

2005-03-15 Thread David Schmitt
On Tuesday 15 March 2005 02:02, John Goerzen wrote: > Simply making a snapshot -- or posting a set of .debs -- does not make > Debian stable. See #2, for instance. See below, please. > > > 2) Provides no way for such a stable release to be integrated into the > > >security build system; > >

Re: SCC proposal (was: Re: Questions for the DPL candidates)

2005-03-15 Thread Will Newton
On Tuesday 15 March 2005 12:59, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > My main gripe with the proposal, as it currently stands, is that it > provides a solution for problems that haven't been discussed in detail, > without much space for improvements. I agree. I think there is a spectrum of measures that could

Re: SCC proposal (was: Re: Questions for the DPL candidates)

2005-03-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op ma, 14-03-2005 te 20:54 -0500, schreef Daniel Jacobowitz: > On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 07:51:05PM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > > Perhaps, but then why not just use the existing testing setup? > > Because, as has been explained several times, it doesn't scale. What are the exact problems? My main

Re: SCC proposal (was: Re: Questions for the DPL candidates)

2005-03-14 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 07:51:05PM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 08:14:47PM -0500, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 07:02:05PM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > > > Really, I don't really understand all the difficulty of running > > > apt-get -b source, or pbui

Re: SCC proposal (was: Re: Questions for the DPL candidates)

2005-03-14 Thread John Goerzen
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 08:14:47PM -0500, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote: > On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 07:02:05PM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > > Really, I don't really understand all the difficulty of running > > apt-get -b source, or pbuilder, or some such for n+1 archs as opposed > > to just n. With a lit

Re: SCC proposal (was: Re: Questions for the DPL candidates)

2005-03-14 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 07:02:05PM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > Really, I don't really understand all the difficulty of running > apt-get -b source, or pbuilder, or some such for n+1 archs as opposed > to just n. With a little use of ssh keys, the whole thing should be > completely automated. And

Re: SCC proposal (was: Re: Questions for the DPL candidates)

2005-03-14 Thread John Goerzen
On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 10:02:37AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > >And the result of this discussion is what leaves me with great concern. > >Specifically, the proposal: > > 1) Provides no way for an arch to produce a stable release after the > >initial set of archs have produced theirs; > > Ha

Re: SCC proposal (was: Re: Questions for the DPL candidates)

2005-03-14 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Anthony Towns writes: > Halting unstable autobuilding, fixing remaining bugs in an > arch-specific freeze, then making a snapshot allows you to produce a > release. It may or may not correspond with Debian stable. I am of the opinion that the testing distribution has been a great help in releasi