Re: Python 2 removal in sid/bullseye: Progress and next steps

2019-11-11 Thread Norbert Preining
Hi Mo, On Tue, 12 Nov 2019, Mo Zhou wrote: > How many users still use these unmaintained scripts? Could you please > provide us a reference/estimated popcon so we can better understand the > situation of texlive in terms of py2rm. Popcon does not help, since these scripts are part of a huge colle

Re: Python 2 removal in sid/bullseye: Progress and next steps

2019-11-11 Thread Mo Zhou
On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 10:07:26AM +0900, Norbert Preining wrote: > Yes, we have a lot of python scripts, and some have been written more > than 10 years ago, and there is no maintainer anymore. > ... > And *we* at the TeX side prefer not to simply throw out old stuff, see > above. How many users

Re: Python 2 removal in sid/bullseye: Progress and next steps

2019-11-11 Thread Norbert Preining
Hi Matthias, On Mon, 11 Nov 2019, Matthias Klose wrote: > sure, and when everybody is doing that, we end up with Python2 in bullseye+2 > as well. Python3 is around for 10+ years now... Well, the whole py2/py3 mess shouldn't have happened at all, but this is not any of our faults, but purely Pytho

Re: Python 2 removal in sid/bullseye: Progress and next steps

2019-11-11 Thread Norbert Preining
Hi Ondrey, hi all, thanks to you (and all the others) for answers. > It's team work, I "only" sent that email :). It looks like others already Yes, in this sense with "you" I meant the Python Team and everyone working on it. > time line=now. 1.5 year is really short period for doing so much wor

Re: Python 2 removal in sid/bullseye: Progress and next steps

2019-11-11 Thread Moritz Mühlenhoff
Scott Kitterman schrieb: > One maintainer doesn't get to block the removal of an entire stack like Qt4. > I think there's a reasonable point of discussion about when RoQA is > appropriate, but there comes a time when stuff just has to go. > That doesn't make it a free for all, but for old, unsuppo

Re: Python 2 removal in sid/bullseye: Progress and next steps

2019-11-11 Thread Ondřej Surý
Sorry for top post, I am just on my phone. Just my two cents - the RoQA is a pretty standard thing when you deal with bigger transitions and there’s a lot of unmaintained packages. Been there couple of times, and it was nowhere near py2 removal magnitude. So, I just want to send huge thanks tow

Re: Python 2 removal in sid/bullseye: Progress and next steps

2019-11-11 Thread Ondrej Novy
Hi, po 11. 11. 2019 v 16:27 odesílatel Norbert Preining napsal: > thanks for your work on the Python2 removal. > It's team work, I "only" sent that email :). It looks like others already replied, but Could you please give a time line of how you are planning to proceed? > time line=now. 1.5 ye

Re: Python 2 removal in sid/bullseye: Progress and next steps

2019-11-11 Thread Scott Kitterman
On November 11, 2019 3:10:32 PM UTC, Norbert Preining wrote: >Hi Ondřej, > >(please Cc, I am not subscribed to debian-devel) > >thanks for your work on the Python2 removal. > >On Mon, 11 Nov 2019, Ondřej Nový wrote: ... > >Furthermore, > >> We will also then file bug reports against ftp.debian

Re: Python 2 removal in sid/bullseye: Progress and next steps

2019-11-11 Thread Matthias Klose
On 11.11.19 16:10, Norbert Preining wrote: Hi Ondřej, (please Cc, I am not subscribed to debian-devel) thanks for your work on the Python2 removal. On Mon, 11 Nov 2019, Ondřej Nový wrote: We are going to raise the severity of the py2removal bugs to "serious" in several steps. In the ... Co

Re: Python 2 removal in sid/bullseye: Progress and next steps

2019-11-11 Thread Mattia Rizzolo
Hi, I'm going to answer, even if I'm not Ondrej :) On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 12:10:32AM +0900, Norbert Preining wrote: > On Mon, 11 Nov 2019, Ondřej Nový wrote: > > We are going to raise the severity of the py2removal bugs to "serious" > > in several steps. In the > ... > > Could you please give

Re: Python 2 removal in sid/bullseye: Progress and next steps

2019-11-11 Thread Norbert Preining
Hi Ondřej, (please Cc, I am not subscribed to debian-devel) thanks for your work on the Python2 removal. On Mon, 11 Nov 2019, Ondřej Nový wrote: > We are going to raise the severity of the py2removal bugs to "serious" > in several steps. In the ... Could you please give a time line of how you

Re: Python 2 removal in sid/bullseye: Progress and next steps

2019-11-11 Thread Matthias Klose
On 11.11.19 10:33, Ondřej Nový wrote: Hi, We are aiming to remove Python 2 for the bullseye release, or at least remove as many Python 2 related packages as possible. Python 2 is discontinued upstream, but crucially, more and more providers of Python modules don't support Python 2 in either the