Re: Innovation in Debian

2013-07-22 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/7/22 Raphael Hertzog : > Hi, > > On Mon, 22 Jul 2013, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: >> I want the process to be something like: >> >> - New PPAMAIN >> - Upload new package >> - "NMU" packages to work with the new stuff (this needs to be >> something that the project is OK with) inside the

Re: Innovation in Debian

2013-07-22 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Mon, 22 Jul 2013, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: > I want the process to be something like: > > - New PPAMAIN > - Upload new package > - "NMU" packages to work with the new stuff (this needs to be > something that the project is OK with) inside the PPA > - Fiddle > - Push it back up

Re: Innovation in Debian

2013-07-22 Thread Neil Williams
On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 16:22:37 +0200 Zlatan Todoric wrote: > For me, unstable > or experimental should be *just do it* and develop it so Debian gains > momentum (or > some other nice solution to gain that). Coordination is always the problem. Developers cannot just go and break everything for othe

Re: Innovation in Debian

2013-07-22 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
Heyya, Michael, On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 05:42:35PM +0100, Michael Tautschnig wrote: > > I do see that some innovative ideas cause breakage. And sometimes breaking > things may result in progress. All I was saying is that innovation and > breaking > things are not the same. Granted. I 100% agree.

Re: Innovation in Debian

2013-07-22 Thread Michael Tautschnig
Hi Paul, hi all, > Ahoy, fellow developers, > > > Having followed the recent threads, I've been growing concerned - not of > sticking with an old init system, or switching to a new one, or even the > god-aweful tone of every damn post on that thread (srsly guise). > > I'm mostly concerned that

Re: Innovation in Debian

2013-07-22 Thread Zlatan Todoric
Ahoy, I am not active in Debian development much but I do observe it closely and must say that Debian needs innovation a lot - not for purpose to innovate but there are so much talented people with great ideas that just need to *explode*. For me, unstable or experimental should be *just do it* and

Re: Innovation in Debian

2013-07-22 Thread Michael Tautschnig
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 04:39:54PM +0100, Michael Tautschnig wrote: > > [...] > > > > I feel the subject of this thread is not very well aligned with your > > reasoning - > > I don't think innovation==breaking things!? At least for myself the init > > system > > I very much disagree. > >

Re: Innovation in Debian

2013-07-22 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 04:39:54PM +0100, Michael Tautschnig wrote: > [...] > > I feel the subject of this thread is not very well aligned with your > reasoning - > I don't think innovation==breaking things!? At least for myself the init > system I very much disagree. "Without deviation fro