[Sorry for the late response, I don't read -devel daily anymore.]
martin f krafft wrote:
> As someone who has served (and continues to serve) on several core
> teams within Debian, would you be able to give us some insights into
> how the situation may be improved?
In theory the team needs to reo
Daniel Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 12, 2006 at 12:20:25PM +0100, Frank Küster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> was heard to say:
>> Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > Actually, in case stockholm gets elected,
>>
>> Sorry, where's the Wiki page describing codenames for D
On Sun, Mar 12, 2006 at 12:20:25PM +0100, Frank Küster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was
heard to say:
> Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Actually, in case stockholm gets elected,
>
> Sorry, where's the Wiki page describing codenames for DPL candidates?
Wait, you mean we aren't putting
* Frank Küster ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060312 12:24]:
> Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Actually, in case stockholm gets elected,
>
> Sorry, where's the Wiki page describing codenames for DPL candidates?
Sorry for using the IRC name. I try to avoid that in mail, but failed
this tim
su, 2006-03-12 kello 12:20 +0100, Frank Küster kirjoitti:
> Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Actually, in case stockholm gets elected,
>
> Sorry, where's the Wiki page describing codenames for DPL candidates?
db.debian.org lists them, though for clarity of discussion, it helps to
Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Actually, in case stockholm gets elected,
Sorry, where's the Wiki page describing codenames for DPL candidates?
Regards, Frank
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On Saturday 11 March 2006 09:10, Kevin Mark wrote:
> -- vbi:
> > Kevin:
[mediation]
> > > After the meeting everyone would agree to not discuss anything in
> > > public and only redress further problems by arranging another private
> > > irc session.
> >
> > Hmm. I agree with you that solving the
On Sat, Mar 11, 2006 at 08:52:53AM +0100, Adrian von Bidder wrote:
> On Saturday 11 March 2006 03:27, Kevin Mark wrote:
> [DPL as mediator]
>
> The DPL already could do that. The DPL probably in the past *did* step in
> in some cases behind the scenes. There's no reason for the technical
> ove
On Saturday 11 March 2006 03:27, Kevin Mark wrote:
[DPL as mediator]
The DPL already could do that. The DPL probably in the past *did* step in
in some cases behind the scenese. There's no reason for the technical
overhead of a mediator@ email alias - there's leader, and people who trust
the D
On Fri, Mar 10, 2006 at 09:43:22PM +0100, Adrian von Bidder wrote:
> It's sad, yes, but I think it's just the way people work. Debian is a city
> now, not a village anymore - lots of people know lots of other people not
> very well or not at all. This probably includes people in important
> fu
pe, 2006-03-10 kello 20:31 -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh kirjoitti:
> On Fri, 10 Mar 2006, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> > pe, 2006-03-10 kello 21:49 +0100, Adrian von Bidder kirjoitti:
> > > /me is trying to imagine the Debian project's members trying to agree on
> > > an
> > > enemy...
> >
> >
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> pe, 2006-03-10 kello 21:49 +0100, Adrian von Bidder kirjoitti:
> > /me is trying to imagine the Debian project's members trying to agree on an
> > enemy...
>
> Open RC bugs. Go to http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php, pick one,
> hate it to death. Sle
pe, 2006-03-10 kello 21:49 +0100, Adrian von Bidder kirjoitti:
> /me is trying to imagine the Debian project's members trying to agree on an
> enemy...
Open RC bugs. Go to http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php, pick one,
hate it to death. Sleep well.
--
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On Thursday 09 March 2006 18:41, Amaya wrote:
> ... focus on attacking Ubuntu
Ah, yes, we need an enemy so we can unite against it. Old-fashioned
tactics, proved to work.
-- vbi
/me is trying to imagine the Debian project's members trying to agree on an
enemy...
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ObIntro: I add my thanks to all the others'
On Thursday 09 March 2006 14:38, Gustavo Franco wrote:
> What's wrong with us ? I just read some messages with a "no Martin,
> can we revert it?", it seems that the default reply is "ok Martin, see
> you, thanks.".
>
> It's volunteer work, he's free to d
On 3/10/06, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 10:38:51AM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote:
> > What's wrong with us ? I just read some messages with a "no Martin,
> > can we revert it?", it seems that the default reply is "ok Martin, see
> > you, thanks.".
>
> > It's vo
Le jeudi 09 mars 2006 à 23:51 +0100, Wouter Verhelst a écrit :
> Yeah yeah, the project sucks. Whatever. Say, Josselin, why aren't you a
> DPL candidate?
Given the list of known candidates, I considered being a candidate
myself, just like Bill, but I don't have the time to assume such a
position.
> If I were a crazier man I would say something like:
>
>"The end is neigh!"
>
> It is a dark, dark day for Debian, indeed.
Death of Debian predicted. Film at 11.
Believe it or not, but Joey's resign could actually be more a Good
Thing than a bad thing.
Seeing renewal and new blood come i
On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 10:18:22PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> I haven't answered the question because it wasn't one. You are
> implicitly answering it the line after, and I already know we disagree
> on this matter.
Let me rephrase:
'Who exactly are the candidates claiming there are no probl
On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 01:30:39PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> You should take irony supplements to replenish the irony lost to mailing
> lists.
I think it'd be better if you could replenish the lost irony with goldy
or silvery. Looks much nicer...
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On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 07:05:24PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le jeudi 09 mars 2006 à 16:39 +0100, Amaya a écrit :
> > > but when will we try to solve some of the real problems we have
> >
> > Hey! It's DPL election time! Lobby around. I really am biting my tongue,
> > but you don't have to.
Martin Zobel-Helas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hi!
>
> As you all probably already know, Martin 'Joey' Schulze stepped down as
> Stable Release Manager[1]. At this point, we would like to thank him for
> his hard work for the last five years.
>
> To continue the service of stable point releases
* Lars Wirzenius ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060309 19:56]:
> That reminds me of something I meant to propose some time ago: someone
> with a bit of time on their hands could make a wiki page,
> DplPromises2006 say, and list all the promises of all the candidates.
> Then, during the next year, we can keep
* Daniel Stone ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060309 19:53]:
> Please point me to a candidate who is claiming that 'there is no problem
> and that we should all be friends'.
krooger.
Sorry, couldn't resist. :)
Cheers,
Andi
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On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 07:21:20PM +0100, Amaya wrote:
> Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > Who are you going to lobby? The candidates who are playing an active
> > role in "the problem", or the ones who are just claiming there is no
> > problem and that we should all be friends?
> This year the candidat
Le jeudi 09 mars 2006 à 22:44 +0200, Daniel Stone a écrit :
> On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 08:06:33PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > Le jeudi 09 mars 2006 à 20:49 +0200, Daniel Stone a écrit :
> > > I think you'll find what they're saying is, 'don't be an idiot on
> > > mailing lists'. And here you
On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 08:06:33PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le jeudi 09 mars 2006 à 20:49 +0200, Daniel Stone a écrit :
> > I think you'll find what they're saying is, 'don't be an idiot on
> > mailing lists'. And here you are, being an idiot on a mailing list,
> > which is pretty fitting,
I demand that Jason Clinton may or may not have written...
> On Thu, 2006-03-09 at 19:05 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
>> Who are you going to lobby? The candidates who are playing an active role
>> in "the problem", or the ones who are just claiming there is no problem
>> and that we should all
I demand that Andreas Tille may or may not have written...
> On Thu, 9 Mar 2006, Gustavo Franco wrote:
>> What's wrong with us ?
> It is wrong that somebody who would like to work is stopped to do his work
> by others.
You mean "stopped from doing". (Common non-native mistake...)
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On 3/9/06, Lars Wirzenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> to, 2006-03-09 kello 19:21 +0100, Amaya kirjoitti:
> > 1 - lobby (all of them)
> > 2 - get promises in exchange of votes
>
> That reminds me of something I meant to propose some time ago: someone
> with a bit of time on their hands could make a
Le jeudi 09 mars 2006 à 20:49 +0200, Daniel Stone a écrit :
> I think you'll find what they're saying is, 'don't be an idiot on
> mailing lists'. And here you are, being an idiot on a mailing list,
> which is pretty fitting, I guess. (But it is a problem.)
If pointing at problems is idiot, I pre
to, 2006-03-09 kello 19:21 +0100, Amaya kirjoitti:
> 1 - lobby (all of them)
> 2 - get promises in exchange of votes
That reminds me of something I meant to propose some time ago: someone
with a bit of time on their hands could make a wiki page,
DplPromises2006 say, and list all the promises of a
On Thu, 2006-03-09 at 20:49 +0200, Daniel Stone wrote:
> I think you'll find what they're saying is, 'don't be an idiot on
> mailing lists'. And here you are, being an idiot on a mailing list,
> which is pretty fitting, I guess. (But it is a problem.)
-1 name calling
-1 hyperbole
+1 semi-on-topi
On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 07:05:24PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le jeudi 09 mars 2006 à 16:39 +0100, Amaya a écrit :
> > > but when will we try to solve some of the real problems we have
> >
> > Hey! It's DPL election time! Lobby around. I really am biting my tongue,
> > but you don't have to.
On 3/9/06, Amaya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gustavo Franco wrote:
> > hehe, i think you missed my joke first.
>
> Maybe, I just saw a GnR quote.
>
That's what i mean with the civil war thing, not a real war against
anyone or a project. :-)
-- stratus
Florian Haas wrote:
> Joey did not quit because he woke up this morning and didn't feel like
> doing the work.
Yes, that is an issue that really has to be discussed in a civil manner
and in more depth. The issue I am refering to is, again, the fragile
equilibrium between meritocracy and elected de
On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 07:05:24PM +0100, Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Le jeudi 09 mars 2006 ? 16:39 +0100, Amaya a ?crit :
> > > but when will we try to solve some of the real problems we have
> >
> > Hey! It's DPL election time! Lobby around. I really am biting my tongue,
> > b
On Thu, 2006-03-09 at 19:05 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Who are you going to lobby? The candidates who are playing an active
> role in "the problem", or the ones who are just claiming there is no
> problem and that we should all be friends?
If I were a crazier man I would say something like:
Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Who are you going to lobby? The candidates who are playing an active
> role in "the problem", or the ones who are just claiming there is no
> problem and that we should all be friends?
This year the candidates are acting more like RL politicians than ever
(IMVHO). So you.
Gustavo Franco wrote:
> hehe, i think you missed my joke first.
Maybe, I just saw a GnR quote.
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On 3/9/06, Amaya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gustavo Franco wrote:
> > Sure Amaya, "what we've got here is failure to communicate...". Btw, i
> > hope we don't end in a civil war. :-)
>
>
> Civil? Not as long as we focus on attacking Ubuntu
>
>
hehe, i think you missed my joke first.
-- stratu
Le jeudi 09 mars 2006 à 16:39 +0100, Amaya a écrit :
> > but when will we try to solve some of the real problems we have
>
> Hey! It's DPL election time! Lobby around. I really am biting my tongue,
> but you don't have to.
Who are you going to lobby? The candidates who are playing an active
role
Martin Zobel-Helas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> To continue the service of stable point releases to our users, Andreas
> Barth and I took over the Stable Release Management. We will try to add
> other people to our team, improving responsiveness and quality.
What will the process to someone who
That is fine and dandy, but how do you want to adress the underlying
problem of the work ?
Joey did not quit because he woke up this morning and didn't feel like
doing the work.
On 3/9/06, Martin Zobel-Helas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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>
> Hi!
>
>
Gustavo Franco wrote:
> Sure Amaya, "what we've got here is failure to communicate...". Btw, i
> hope we don't end in a civil war. :-)
Civil? Not as long as we focus on attacking Ubuntu
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On 3/9/06, Amaya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gustavo Franco wrote:
> > I agree with you, i wasn't simple asking him to go back. My point was
> > that if we just let somebody or a team take over that task the problem
> > will still be there, maybe not all the problems but some of them.
>
> I am als
Gustavo Franco wrote:
> I agree with you, i wasn't simple asking him to go back. My point was
> that if we just let somebody or a team take over that task the problem
> will still be there, maybe not all the problems but some of them.
I am also worried that these issues continue to exist throughou
On 3/9/06, Amaya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gustavo Franco wrote:
> (...)
> > Don't you care ?
>
> We do. But asking him to go back to doing something that was such a
> source of pain? No way.
>
> (...)
Hi Amaya,
I agree with you, i wasn't simple asking him to go back. My point was
that if we j
Andreas Tille wrote:
> Ups, why are you biting your tongue?
Because we all have our bit of fustration regarding this issue and I
don't want to pour anger in email. For fear that I get expulsed :P
No, seriously... This is being discussed in the debian-project mailing
list right now, where it belon
On Thu, 9 Mar 2006, Amaya wrote:
Hey! It's DPL election time! Lobby around. I really am biting my tongue,
but you don't have to.
Ups, why are you biting your tongue? I say it loudly: I will vote
highest for the candidate who seems to me most probable to solve
this very problem.
Kind regards
Gustavo Franco wrote:
> it seems that the default reply is "ok Martin, see you, thanks.".
Yes, we are very thankful for his time, dedication, and achievemnets.
> It's volunteer work, he's free to do whatever he wants and spend his
> time with more pleasant tasks,
Exactly.
> but when will we try
On Thu, 9 Mar 2006, Gustavo Franco wrote:
What's wrong with us ?
It is wrong that somebody who would like to work is stopped
to do his work by others.
Kind regards
Andreas.
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On 09.03. 10:38, Gustavo Franco wrote:
> What's wrong with us ? I just read some messages with a "no Martin,
> can we revert it?", it seems that the default reply is "ok Martin, see
> you, thanks.".
>
> It's volunteer work, he's free to do whatever he wants and spend his
> time with more pleasant
Am Donnerstag, den 09.03.2006, 11:32 +0100 schrieb Martin Schulze:
> I'm sorry to announce this but you'll have to find a new person who works
> on updating Debian stable and who is willing to cope with black holes and
> ftpmasters.
It's a sad day for the Debian project and the situation must have
What's wrong with us ? I just read some messages with a "no Martin,
can we revert it?", it seems that the default reply is "ok Martin, see
you, thanks.".
It's volunteer work, he's free to do whatever he wants and spend his
time with more pleasant tasks, but when will we try to solve some of
the re
Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I'm sorry to announce this but you'll have to find a new person who works
> on updating Debian stable and who is willing to cope with black holes and
> ftpmasters.
A black day for Debian.
Thanks for all the work and time you've invested into this in t
Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I'm sick of this entire situation. It makes me ill, angry and utterly
> frustrated. It causes me being frustrated of Debian and unable to work on
> other issues, needing a rest more often that planned. I should do better
> with my limited life. Henc
On 09.03. 12:21, Andreas Barth wrote:
>
> * Martin Schulze ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060309 11:37]:
> > I'm sorry to announce this but you'll have to find a new person who works
> > on updating Debian stable and who is willing to cope with black holes and
> > ftpmasters.
>
> Martin, thank you very muc
martin f krafft wrote:
> LinuxTag won't ever be the same
Seconded.
> Debian's core infrastructure is in the hands
> of very few people, who are often very busy.
Right again. Joey is the first DD I met, and tho I saw (and heard) him
on several occasions, I barely know him except from the excellen
On Thursday 09 March 2006 11:32, Martin Schulze wrote:
> I'm sorry to announce this but you'll have to find a new person who works
> on updating Debian stable and who is willing to cope with black holes and
> ftpmasters.
> James Troup as ftpmaster rejected my recent request to become an..
Then
also sprach Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.03.09.1132 +0100]:
> I'm sick of being left in the void. I'm sick of ftpmasters not
> answering mails from the stable release manager to negotiate
> a timeline. I'm sick of ftpmasters suddenly creating arbitrary
> preconditions for stable updat
Hi,
* Martin Schulze ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060309 11:37]:
> I'm sorry to announce this but you'll have to find a new person who works
> on updating Debian stable and who is willing to cope with black holes and
> ftpmasters.
Martin, thank you very much for your great services you did as stable
rele
Le Jeudi 9 Mars 2006 11:32, Martin Schulze a écrit :
> I'm sorry to announce this but you'll have to find a new person who works
> on updating Debian stable and who is willing to cope with black holes and
> ftpmasters.
>
> I'm sick of being left in the void. I'm sick of ftpmasters not answering
>
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