* Wed 2006-06-07 Axel Beckert
* Message-Id: 20060607001535.GT3066 AT fsinfo.cs.uni-sb.de
> Hi!
>
>> I'm creating a meta package for install a lite desktop for old
>> machines with poor hardware.
>
> Hey, that's a really cool idea! Debian is one of the last modern (and
> not specialised) Linux dist
Jérôme Warnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> To my knowledge, at some point, the XFree86 Team treated the
> no-longer-existing-in-4.x drivers as bugs. They requested anybody who
> noticed that its graphics card worked with previous versions of XFree86
> but no longer with 4.x to submit a bug and it
On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 07:04:40PM +0200, Hendrik Sattler wrote:
> Am Mittwoch, 7. Juni 2006 15:21 schrieb Axel Beckert:
> > I have a laptop with a GD 7543 chip. And I won't throw away a working
> > laptop just because its graphics card isn't supported and can't be
> > exchanged either.
>
> What a
Le mercredi 07 juin 2006 à 19:04 +0200, Hendrik Sattler a écrit :
> Am Mittwoch, 7. Juni 2006 15:21 schrieb Axel Beckert:
> > I have a laptop with a GD 7543 chip. And I won't throw away a working
> > laptop just because its graphics card isn't supported and can't be
> > exchanged either.
>
> What
Am Mittwoch, 7. Juni 2006 15:21 schrieb Axel Beckert:
> I have a laptop with a GD 7543 chip. And I won't throw away a working
> laptop just because its graphics card isn't supported and can't be
> exchanged either.
What about using the vesa of fbdev drivers? Maybe slow but working.
HS
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Am Mittwoch, 7. Juni 2006 02:15 schrieb Axel Beckert:
> + The dropping of the 2.4 kernel line: This will drop AFAIK support
> for e.g. active ISDN cards.
The other way round: active cards are still supported as before, at least the
AVM B1 cards and all others that already support CAPI.
What lac
Hi!
On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 12:21:13PM +0200, Jérôme Warnier wrote:
> > (the graphics card is no more supported in XFree 4.x and there
> > no more supported in Sarge) to get it running.
> To my knowledge, at some point, the XFree86 Team treated the
> no-longer-existing-in-4.x drivers as bugs.
Tha
At 1149646535 past the epoch, Axel Beckert wrote:
> Why gdm and not wdm? gdm depends on a horribly large bunch
> of libraries including GNOME. wdm depends on way less
> libraries, looks not as bare as xdm by default does and
> still is fast and easy to use. (We use it on all our
> Debian workstati
Le mercredi 07 juin 2006 à 02:15 +0200, Axel Beckert a écrit :
> Hi!
>
> > I'm creating a meta package for install a lite desktop for old
> > machines with poor hardware.
>
> Hey, that's a really cool idea! Debian is one of the last modern (and
> not specialised) Linux distribution feasible for o
Hi!
> I'm creating a meta package for install a lite desktop for old
> machines with poor hardware.
Hey, that's a really cool idea! Debian is one of the last modern (and
not specialised) Linux distribution feasible for old and slow
hardware, especially old PCs. But Sarge already made a big step a
On Sat, May 13, 2006 at 10:27:50AM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
Localepurge is a bad hack which tries to compensate for a shortcoming
in dpkg,
maybe "a bad hack", but very useful in light desktop -
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On Sun, 14 May 2006 20:49:46 +0200, David Weinehall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>On Sat, May 13, 2006 at 10:27:50AM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
>> Localepurge is a bad hack which tries to compensate for a shortcoming
>> in dpkg, one that I have been waiting to be fixed since I started
>> using Debian n
On Sat, May 13, 2006 at 10:27:50AM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
> On Fri, 12 May 2006 01:10:17 +0200, Eugen Paiuc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >I'd add localepurge - witch save my >25 % disk space on 6-700 mb
> >installation.
>
> Localepurge is a bad hack which tries to compensate for a shortcoming
On Fri, 12 May 2006 01:10:17 +0200, Eugen Paiuc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>I'd add localepurge - witch save my >25 % disk space on 6-700 mb
>installation.
Localepurge is a bad hack which tries to compensate for a shortcoming
in dpkg, one that I have been waiting to be fixed since I started
using
Hi,
I'd add localepurge - witch save my >25 % disk space on 6-700 mb
installation.
Thanks!
Eugen Paiuc
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At 1144985401 past the epoch, Keegan Quinn wrote:
> * Full desktop (or "Heavy" maybe?)
>* KDE
>* GNOME
> * Light desktop (or "Advanced" maybe?)
No complaints so far
> * openbox
> * fluxbox
> * etc.
No - if someone knows which window manager they want they're
sufficient
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* Don Armstrong [Sun, Apr 16 2006, 11:35:07PM]:
> On Sun, 16 Apr 2006, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> > Much, much, much? Where? Some eye-catchers (collage, HTTP client
> > builtin) but not much for daily use for a desktop system:
> >
> > - no picture browser GUI
>
> Uh... feh -t .;
Primitive
At 1144928811 past the epoch, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> As said, Gnome bloat. Use gqview or pornview.
The latter has been orphaned[1].
[1] http://bugs.debian.org/316934
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Thiemo Seufer wrote:
> A XFCE-based lightweight desktop also isn't something which happened
> overnight.
As in "xfce4" package, sure. But all the additional applications are
something to be considered very carefully.
> It's the usual thing I install as desktop environment, and
> I appreciate tha
Linas Žvirblis wrote:
> Joey Hess wrote:
>
> > By this lie of reasoning the only task that Debian can afford to ship is
> > either KDE or Gnome.
>
> No, not at all. That is not what I was trying to say. KDE and GNOME were
> examples of something that did not happen overnight. They proved worthy
>
Joey Hess wrote:
> By this lie of reasoning the only task that Debian can afford to ship is
> either KDE or Gnome.
No, not at all. That is not what I was trying to say. KDE and GNOME were
examples of something that did not happen overnight. They proved worthy
of becoming a task. Would you accept
Linas Žvirblis wrote:
> Now this "Light Desktop" - something totally untested, composed of
> entirely separate pieces of software that might or might not work well
> together. Will we ever be able to do half as much testing in Debian, as
> it was done for KDE/GNOME? Is it even ethical to use Debian
2006/4/14, Yves-Alexis Perez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Thu, 2006-04-13 at 11:46 +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> > > - file-roller
> >
> > Is there really no other choice without GNOME dependencies?
>
> there is xarchiver, entered recently in unstable
Hmm...
Looks like a file-roller fork, but only nee
2006/4/14, Christian Perrier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > I am sure this has been discussed many times, but one thing i would
> > really like to see in tasksel is:
>
>
> Many many times, yes..:-)
>
> Joey often raised an argument about novice users likely to be confused
> by a KDE/Gnome choice, not kno
2006/4/14, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Fri, 2006-04-14 at 09:40 +0200, Giuseppe Sacco wrote:
> > Il giorno gio, 13/04/2006 alle 11.46 +0200, Eduard Bloch ha scritto:
> > [...]
> > > > - evince
> > >
> > > As other pointed out, does basically the same job as xpdf but pulls half
> > > of th
2006/4/14, Kevin Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Thu, Apr 13, 2006 at 04:20:13PM +0300, Linas Žvirblis wrote:
> > Joey Hess wrote:
> > Z
> > > If so, I would be happy to add this to tasksel, so that the desktop task
> > > automatically installs it if it detects a system that is not easily
> > > capa
Scripsit Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Now, if you're arguing that this may not be appropriate for those who
> are afraid of a command line or a program that has more than 50
> command line options, that may be the case... but it definetly gets
> rid of the bloat present in other image viewe
On Sun, 16 Apr 2006, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> Much, much, much? Where? Some eye-catchers (collage, HTTP client
> builtin) but not much for daily use for a desktop system:
>
> - no picture browser GUI
Uh... feh -t .;
> - no picture management function
mv, rm, rename. Check. [feh -A 'mv %f foo/%n
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* Don Armstrong [Fri, Apr 14 2006, 02:02:17PM]:
> On Fri, 14 Apr 2006, Torsten Marek wrote:
> > >> - eog
> > >
> > > As said, Gnome bloat. Use gqview or pornview.
> >
> > Well, don't take pornview or you'll soon have a bug report about
> > politically incorrect package names;-)
>
> Try
Christian Perrier wrote:
> Well, I haven't followed the rest of the thread (the part where people
> wonder which package could pertain to a "Light desktop" task) but I've
> seen Joey suggest himself to turn it into a task.
So have I. But I am against it nevertheless.
Do not get me wrong. I am no
On Thu, 2006-04-13 at 09:08 -0300, André Luiz Rodrigues Ferreira wrote:
> 2006/4/11, Bernhard R. Link <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > * Andr Luiz Rodrigues Ferreira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [060411 18:45]:
> > > - x-window-system-core
> > > - xfce4 (beautiful!)
> > > - gdm
> > [...]
> > > - gnome-ppp
> > > - g
> Therefore I suggest doing this...
>
> - I don't know (both of them)
> - KDE desktop environment
> - Gnome desktop environment
>
> ...and leaving the specialized tasks for CDDs, because that is what they
> are for, right?
Well, I haven't followed the rest of the thread (the part where peop
On Fri, 14 Apr 2006, Torsten Marek wrote:
> >> - eog
> >
> > As said, Gnome bloat. Use gqview or pornview.
>
> Well, don't take pornview or you'll soon have a bug report about
> politically incorrect package names;-)
Try feh. Much, much more powerful, and much, much nicer.
Don Armstrong
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Mike Hommey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The "renders documents much more nicely" is absolutely wrong
No it's not. Perhaps you haven't used xpdf recently.
In particular, xpdf seems to do a _much_ better job of anti-aliasing
fonts than evince: xpdf's antialiasing generally manages to be both
sm
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Eduard Bloch wrote:
> #include
> * André Luiz Rodrigues Ferreira [Tue, Apr 11 2006, 01:44:57PM]:
>> Hi !
>>
>> I'm creating a meta package for install a lite desktop for old
>> machines with poor hardware.
>> I would like to receive opinions about my
#include
* Ron Johnson [Fri, Apr 14 2006, 03:00:44AM]:
> On Fri, 2006-04-14 at 09:40 +0200, Giuseppe Sacco wrote:
> > If you just want to display PDF files then probably xpdf is a better
> > option, but Evince has a really nice feature: it show TIFF multipage.
> > This is the *only* free software
On Fri, Apr 14, 2006 at 11:17:50AM +0900, Miles Bader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "André Luiz Rodrigues Ferreira" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >> Any particular reason for not just using xpdf?
> >
> > Evince have more resources and combine with the Xfce interface.
> > In the reality I would like
Giuseppe Sacco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> As other pointed out, does basically the same job as xpdf but pulls half
>> of the Gnome.
>
> If you just want to display PDF files then probably xpdf is a better
> option, but Evince has a really nice feature: it show TIFF multipage.
> This is the *onl
"André Luiz Rodrigues Ferreira" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Any particular reason for not just using xpdf?
>
> Evince have more resources and combine with the Xfce interface.
> In the reality I would like to keep the applications with the same
> appearance. Possibly gtk2.
Er, that's nice, but a
Christian Perrier wrote:
> Joey often raised an argument about novice users likely to be confused
> by a KDE/Gnome choice, not knowing the difference between both.
That is undoubtedly true for novice (as in "first time") users, but we
should realize that there is a large group of users that are e
On Fri, Apr 14, 2006 at 10:19:20AM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote:
> I would vote against too much choices if we go this way,
> though. Probably if the multiple desktop environments suggestion is
> implemented, it should be restricted to four choices:
>
> -"I dont know"
> -KDE
> -Gnome
> -Light de
On Thu, 2006-04-13 at 11:46 +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> > - file-roller
>
> Is there really no other choice without GNOME dependencies?
there is xarchiver, entered recently in unstable
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Le Vendredi 14 Avril 2006 08:28, Kevin Mark a écrit :
> Hi Linas,
> what about /proc/cpuinfo to determine MHZ and /proc/meminfo to find MB.
> does this provide some way to get this info accross all (or most) of the
> archs/subarch?
> And how about using /proc/* to guess what kind of storage is aval
> I am sure this has been discussed many times, but one thing i would
> really like to see in tasksel is:
Many many times, yes..:-)
Joey often raised an argument about novice users likely to be confused
by a KDE/Gnome choice, not knowing the difference between both.
Your suggestion adds an inte
[Kevin Mark]
> What about: '100-300MHZ system desktop(XFCE)'
>
> Also, based upon the cpu/mem info, display:
> you machine has a 766MHZ processor with 128MB memory.
> [x]KDE desktop environment[500mhz or greater]
> [ ]GNOME desktop evirnoenne[500mhz or greater]
> [ ]XFCE desktop enviorneme[300mhz
On Fri, Apr 14, 2006 at 03:00:44AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On Fri, 2006-04-14 at 09:40 +0200, Giuseppe Sacco wrote:
> > Il giorno gio, 13/04/2006 alle 11.46 +0200, Eduard Bloch ha scritto:
> > [...]
> > > > - evince
> > >
> > > As other pointed out, does basically the same job as xpdf but pull
On Fri, 2006-04-14 at 09:40 +0200, Giuseppe Sacco wrote:
> Il giorno gio, 13/04/2006 alle 11.46 +0200, Eduard Bloch ha scritto:
> [...]
> > > - evince
> >
> > As other pointed out, does basically the same job as xpdf but pulls half
> > of the Gnome.
>
> If you just want to display PDF files then
Il giorno gio, 13/04/2006 alle 11.46 +0200, Eduard Bloch ha scritto:
[...]
> > - evince
>
> As other pointed out, does basically the same job as xpdf but pulls half
> of the Gnome.
If you just want to display PDF files then probably xpdf is a better
option, but Evince has a really nice feature: i
On Thu, Apr 13, 2006 at 04:20:13PM +0300, Linas Žvirblis wrote:
> Joey Hess wrote:
> Z
> > If so, I would be happy to add this to tasksel, so that the desktop task
> > automatically installs it if it detects a system that is not easily
> > capable of running kde/gnome. Tasksel has the infrastructur
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* André Luiz Rodrigues Ferreira [Tue, Apr 11 2006, 01:44:57PM]:
> Hi !
>
> I'm creating a meta package for install a lite desktop for old
> machines with poor hardware.
> I would like to receive opinions about my packages list:
>
> - x-window-system-core
> - xfce4 (beautiful!)
Depends.
André Luiz Rodrigues Ferreira wrote:
> 2006/4/13, Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Le Jeu 13 Avril 2006 15:20, Linas Žvirblis a écrit :
> > > > I think this would be better than a meta package because it would
> > > > be available in the regular install, and it would avoid some of the
> > >
2006/4/13, Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Le Jeu 13 Avril 2006 15:20, Linas Žvirblis a écrit :
> > > I think this would be better than a meta package because it would
> > > be available in the regular install, and it would avoid some of the
> > > issues with meta packages.
> >
> > Meta pack
On Thu, 2006-04-13 at 15:28 +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> Le Jeu 13 Avril 2006 15:20, Linas Žvirblis a écrit :
> > > I think this would be better than a meta package because it would
> > > be available in the regular install, and it would avoid some of the
> > > issues with meta packages.
> >
> >
Le Jeu 13 Avril 2006 15:20, Linas Žvirblis a écrit :
> > I think this would be better than a meta package because it would
> > be available in the regular install, and it would avoid some of the
> > issues with meta packages.
>
> Meta package or not, I do not consider "Light Desktop" a good name
>
Joey Hess wrote:
> If so, I would be happy to add this to tasksel, so that the desktop task
> automatically installs it if it detects a system that is not easily
> capable of running kde/gnome. Tasksel has the infrastructure needed to
> support doing this kind of thing, just a matter of finding ap
On Thu, 2006-04-13 at 09:26 -0300, André Luiz Rodrigues Ferreira wrote:
> to control processes (kill for sample) ?
there is an xfce4-taskmanager not yet in the archive.
see http://heracles.corsac.net/~corsac/xfce4-taskmanager.png
Maybe it would fit your needs ?
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At 1144766211 past the epoch, Daniel Dickinson wrote:
> > - x-window-system-core
> > - xfce4 (beautiful!)
>
> You may want to offer a choice of window manager. On
> low-end machines I'm partial to WindowMaker, but IceWm,
> FluxBox, or BlackBox are also good choices.
I'd use Recommends or Suggest
Quoting Joey Hess ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> I think this would be better than a meta package because it would be
> available in the regular install, and it would avoid some of the issues
> with meta packages.
I second this proposal. Indeed, I was about pinging Joey about this
thread because it fits
2006/4/13, Linas Žvirblis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Frank Küster wrote:
>
> >> Not only that, but Evince can be quite slow at rendering complex documents.
> >
> > Are there any benchmarks on that? poppler (on which evince is based)
> > aims to be better than xpdf in that, but it seems some of the add
2006/4/12, Margarita Manterola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Some comments on the choice of programs.
>
> On 4/11/06, André Luiz Rodrigues Ferreira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > - mozilla-firefox
> > - mozilla-thunderbird
>
> As other pointed out, I'd go for dillo and Sylphed. Maybe include the
> mozi
On Thu, 2006-04-13 at 08:22 -0300, André Luiz Rodrigues Ferreira wrote:
> 2006/4/11, Yves-Alexis Perez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Do you plan to add a music/media player ? a slow machine can't play HD
> > videos but can play music so
>
> Yeap! XMMS ?
xmms is gtk1 so maybe it will not fit nicely
Frank Küster wrote:
>> Not only that, but Evince can be quite slow at rendering complex documents.
>
> Are there any benchmarks on that? poppler (on which evince is based)
> aims to be better than xpdf in that, but it seems some of the additional
> functions have slowed it down. The poppler peo
2006/4/11, Bernhard R. Link <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> * Andr Luiz Rodrigues Ferreira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [060411 18:45]:
> > - x-window-system-core
> > - xfce4 (beautiful!)
> > - gdm
> [...]
> > - gnome-ppp
> > - gnome-utils
>
> Definitions differ, but I'd not call something "light" pulling in
> half
2006/4/11, Daniel Dickinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
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> On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:44:57 -0300
> "André Luiz Rodrigues Ferreira" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Hi !
> >
> > I'm creating a meta package for install a lite desktop for old
> > machines with
2006/4/11, Yves-Alexis Perez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Tue, 2006-04-11 at 13:44 -0300, André Luiz Rodrigues Ferreira wrote:
> > Hi !
> >
> > I'm creating a meta package for install a lite desktop for old
> > machines with poor hardware.
>
> Great task.
> > I would like to receive opinions about my
André Luiz Rodrigues Ferreira wrote:
> I'm creating a meta package for install a lite desktop for old
> machines with poor hardware.
> I would like to receive opinions about my packages list:
I'm glad to see someone working on this. I hope you manage to find a
consensus for some good default packa
Linas Žvirblis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Miles Bader wrote:
>
- evince
>>> Any particular reason for not just using xpdf?
>>
>> Especially since xpdf seems to do a much better job of rendering many
>> pdf documents... [Evince has nicer looking widgets though.]
>
> Not only that, but
Miles Bader wrote:
>>> - evince
>>>
>> Any particular reason for not just using xpdf?
>
> Especially since xpdf seems to do a much better job of rendering many
> pdf documents... [Evince has nicer looking widgets though.]
Not only that, but Evince can be quite slow at rendering complex document
Daniel Dickinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> - evince
>
> Any particular reason for not just using xpdf?
Especially since xpdf seems to do a much better job of rendering many
pdf documents... [Evince has nicer looking widgets though.]
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On Tue, Apr 11, 2006 at 01:44:57PM -0300, Andr? Luiz Rodrigues Ferreira wrote:
> Hi !
>
> I'm creating a meta package for install a lite desktop for old
> machines with poor hardware.
> I would like to receive opinions about my packages list:
>
> - x-window-system-core
Note that this metapackage
* Andr Luiz Rodrigues Ferreira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [060411 18:45]:
> - x-window-system-core
> - xfce4 (beautiful!)
> - gdm
[...]
> - gnome-ppp
> - gnome-utils
Definitions differ, but I'd not call something "light" pulling in
half of gnome. What about "Debian Light Gnome Desktop"?
Hochachtungsvoll
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"André Luiz Rodrigues Ferreira" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi !
>
> I'm creating a meta package for install a lite desktop for old
> machines with poor hardware.
That's an admiral goal, however I would be prepare
On Tue, 2006-04-11 at 13:44 -0300, André Luiz Rodrigues Ferreira wrote:
> Hi !
>
> I'm creating a meta package for install a lite desktop for old
> machines with poor hardware.
> I would like to receive opinions about my packages list:
>
> - x-window-system-core
> - xfce4 (beautiful!)
> - gdm
> -
On Tue, 2006-04-11 at 13:44 -0300, André Luiz Rodrigues Ferreira wrote:
> Hi !
>
> I'm creating a meta package for install a lite desktop for old
> machines with poor hardware.
Great task.
> I would like to receive opinions about my packages list:
>
> - x-window-system-core
> - xfce4 (beautiful!
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