Re: Backports, Stable releases, Testing, Oh my!

2014-03-01 Thread Paul Wise
On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 12:44 AM, Julien Cristau wrote: > No, packages that aren't in testing only have their urgency ignored if > it's more than medium. So they're candidates for migration after either > 5 or 10 days. Hmm, ok. Thanks for clarifying. -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWis

Re: Backports, Stable releases, Testing, Oh my!

2014-03-01 Thread Julien Cristau
On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 13:18:02 +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote: > > > AFAICT, it's 5 days now. > > The default urgency in dch is medium now, which britney interprets as > 5 days for existing packages. Packages that aren't in testing have > their

Re: Backports, Stable releases, Testing, Oh my!

2014-02-27 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote: > AFAICT, it's 5 days now. The default urgency in dch is medium now, which britney interprets as 5 days for existing packages. Packages that aren't in testing have their urgency ignored IIRC and migrate after 10 days. -- bye, pabs http://w

Re: Backports, Stable releases, Testing, Oh my!

2014-02-27 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 02/28/2014 09:40 AM, Michael Gilbert wrote: > On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Peter Samuelson wrote: >> >> [micah] >>> it feels like a bit too aggressive pressure for my tastes. I've seen >>> a lot of developers of packages who have found out their package will >>> be removed from testing, but

Re: Backports, Stable releases, Testing, Oh my!

2014-02-27 Thread Michael Gilbert
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Peter Samuelson wrote: > > [micah] >> it feels like a bit too aggressive pressure for my tastes. I've seen >> a lot of developers of packages who have found out their package will >> be removed from testing, but don't have the time to resolve the >> situation befor

Re: Backports, Stable releases, Testing, Oh my!

2014-02-26 Thread Russ Allbery
Nick Phillips writes: > And if the newer version, for example, has updated a database schema in > a non-backward-compatible way? The same problem would apply to testing, so there would be a very high incentive to find a way to fix that for testing users. Backports users would then benefit from

Re: Backports, Stable releases, Testing, Oh my!

2014-02-26 Thread Nick Phillips
On Wed, 2014-02-26 at 09:47 +0100, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: > Erm, no, not at all. A package in stable-bpo can't have a newer > version than testing when we release. With the removal there can be two > situations: > > * After fixing the issue that got the package removed from testing, the >p

Re: Backports, Stable releases, Testing, Oh my!

2014-02-26 Thread Gerfried Fuchs
* Peter Samuelson [2014-02-26 18:36:10 CET]: > [micah] > > it feels like a bit too aggressive pressure for my tastes. I've seen > > a lot of developers of packages who have found out their package will > > be removed from testing, but don't have the time to resolve the > > situation before it gets

Re: Backports, Stable releases, Testing, Oh my!

2014-02-26 Thread Peter Samuelson
[micah] > it feels like a bit too aggressive pressure for my tastes. I've seen > a lot of developers of packages who have found out their package will > be removed from testing, but don't have the time to resolve the > situation before it gets removed, resulting in much pulling of hair. If only w

Re: Backports, Stable releases, Testing, Oh my!

2014-02-26 Thread Gerfried Fuchs
Hi. * micah [2014-02-26 16:48:45 CET]: > Gerfried Fuchs writes: > > Remove from stable-bpo if it's not expected to come back in is what we > > actually do, yes. And to have an overview of these situations I created > > myself the diffstats page: > > http://backports.debian.org/wheezy-backp

Re: Backports, Stable releases, Testing, Oh my!

2014-02-26 Thread James McCoy
On Feb 26, 2014 10:49 AM, "micah" wrote: > For example, say package X has been backported at version 1.0, version > 2.0 is uploaded to sid, transitions to jessie and then has an RC bug > that threatens removal. If the RC bug is properly versioned, then the 1.0 upload, which isn't affected, should

Re: Backports, Stable releases, Testing, Oh my!

2014-02-26 Thread micah
Gerfried Fuchs writes: > Remove from stable-bpo if it's not expected to come back in is what we > actually do, yes. And to have an overview of these situations I created > myself the diffstats page: > http://backports.debian.org/wheezy-backports/overview/ > > Looking at the "not available" pa

Re: Backports, Stable releases, Testing, Oh my!

2014-02-26 Thread Gerfried Fuchs
Hi there. * Paul Tagliamonte [2014-02-25 23:59:05 CET]: > I'm sending to both -devel and backports. I'm not sure which is the > correct list. If one's wrong, feel free to drop it in replies. > > I've been talking with a mentee about backporting procedures, and I've > explained why we don't b

Re: Backports, Stable releases, Testing, Oh my!

2014-02-26 Thread Vincent Cheng
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Paul Wise wrote: >> What shall we do? Remove from stable-bpo? Hope an update comes around? >> Does it make sense to revisit the rules? Does a wait until testing still >> make sense (ok, waiting always makes sense, but beyond the 'let it >> settle' thing) > > Autor

Re: Backports, Stable releases, Testing, Oh my!

2014-02-25 Thread Jan Wagner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi there, Am 26.02.14 00:33, schrieb Paul Wise: yes ... and the package installed from oldstable-backports is newer then oldstable. This situation we have had sometimes in the past (eg. php-suhosin). The problem that a package, which is in stable-ba

Re: Backports, Stable releases, Testing, Oh my!

2014-02-25 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 6:59 AM, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: > However, with the new testing removals from the release team (which is > totally great for creating an always releasable testing, many thanks for > that), we can create a situation where stable-bpo has a newer version > than testing when w