Hi Tom, Kyle, Graziano and everybody,
thanks for your replies. I have studied the material you provided and
in parallell explored the use of debian-installer as an AMI itself. I
reported my first steps in my blog, but strangely it does not show yet
on Planet Debian.
http://charles.plessy.org/
Hello,
On 07/26/2011 11:08 AM, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:27:09AM +0200, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote:
>> I believe it's high time we start to providing Debian in form of official
>> virtualisation images
> Yes, absolutely. These days having virtual images is yet another way
On 07/30/2011 08:52 AM, olivier sallou wrote:
Adding this possiblity would provide VM for Debian but also Debian users
to create their own Debian customized VM.
this should be very easy to integrate into live-studio.debian.net and
live-build.debian.net.
I talked some time ago with one of th
On Jul 30, 2011, at 10:14, Charles Plessy wrote:
> Le Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 08:41:06PM -0400, Kyle Moffett a écrit :
>>
>> My current work is here:
>> http://opensource.exmeritus.com/debian-ami/
>>
>> Please report any success or problems!
>
> Dear Kyle,
>
> I am studying debian-installer and y
Let's not just forget that Amazon EC2 AMI is a nice thing to provide, but
interface to get ssh-keys etc... (just look at ip used to get meta data) is
propriatory and will not work with other cloud softwares (public or private,
such as open nebula/open stack).
Only EC2 interface is shared to manage
Le Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 11:44:00PM -0400, Yaroslav Halchenko a écrit :
> Thank you Steffen -- very informative (at least to me, who has not went
> into the cloud yet) and in general I share your side.
>
> do you know if alestic guys are planing on preparing an AMI with
> squeeze?
No plans… http:/
Thank you Steffen -- very informative (at least to me, who has not went
into the cloud yet) and in general I share your side.
do you know if alestic guys are planing on preparing an AMI with
squeeze?
On Tue, 26 Jul 2011, Steffen Möller wrote:
> > I would love to have an official Debian Image for
I'm working at Eucalyptus Systems: I have been away at a conference, so
my apologies if this has already been mentioned.
On 07/30/2011 07:14 AM, Charles Plessy wrote:
> Le Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 08:41:06PM -0400, Kyle Moffett a écrit :
>>
>> My current work is here:
>> http://opensource.exmeritus.
Le Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 08:41:06PM -0400, Kyle Moffett a écrit :
>
> My current work is here:
> http://opensource.exmeritus.com/debian-ami/
>
> Please report any success or problems!
Dear Kyle,
I am studying debian-installer and your procedure. I see that in you patch for
network-console, th
On Fri, 2011-07-29 at 19:29 +0200, Iustin Pop wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 08:23:57PM +0400, Michael Tokarev wrote:
> > 29.07.2011 18:02, Aaron Toponce wrote:
> > > On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:27:09AM +0200, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote:
> > >> What virtualisation solutions should be supported?
> > >
Le Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 08:52:41AM +0200, olivier sallou a écrit :
>
> For Amazon AMI, constraint is on Kernel/Ramfs. On amazon, those are not in
> the image(disk) but separated, and cannot be provided. Those must be
> pre-uploaded on amazon, and only some providers can do so (Ubuntu is one of
> t
Debian live provide has the possibility to generate raw images with custom
configuration.
Only problem here is it is to generate livecd instead of a ready to run
image.
Adding this possiblity would provide VM for Debian but also Debian users to
create their own Debian customized VM.
Raw format can
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 08:23:57PM +0400, Michael Tokarev wrote:
> 29.07.2011 18:02, Aaron Toponce wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:27:09AM +0200, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote:
> >> What virtualisation solutions should be supported?
> >
> > Open Virtualization Format (OVF) is the only format that
29.07.2011 18:02, Aaron Toponce wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:27:09AM +0200, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote:
>> What virtualisation solutions should be supported?
>
> Open Virtualization Format (OVF) is the only format that should need to be
> supported. VirtualBox, VMWare, RHEV, AbiCloud, Citrix X
On 07/28/2011 04:33 PM, Daniel Baumann wrote:
> for the other thing (you said the build would fail with --initramfs
> none) i'll check somewhen after dinner, it worked for me though a couple
> of weeks ago (and the linaro/cannonical and ubuntu guys are using this
> feature for their arm images sinc
awesome and timely thread -- yet to read it in full -- and shame I am
not at debconf atm.
For our NeuroDebian project we have been providing exactly that
for slightly more than a year:
virtual appliance image (since Virtualbox 4.x it is just a single file,
.ova, which is a tar archive of the .o
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 04:33:33PM +0200, Daniel Baumann wrote:
> anyhow.. i'll get back to you about that later.
Actually, no point in asking me about it: now, months later, I have
no idea anymore what I did, except trying the obvious things based on
trying to decipher the manual pages. Sorry I'm
On 07/28/2011 03:51 PM, Daniel Baumann wrote:
> i appologize for having forgotten to fill the bug (to keep the reminder
> about it) myself after you've choosen not to (which is not your
> obligation, so perfectly fine).
jftr: virtual-hdd is as of now in man lb_config listed as binary image type.
On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 09:12:02 +0100
Jon Dowland wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 11:48:57AM +0930, Karl Goetz wrote:
> > It seems bizarre to me that we require packages to build
> > using software in main to be 'debian', but we wouldn't
> > require it for images distributed as being 'debian'.
>
>
On 07/28/2011 12:45 PM, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> Sorry, if you did, I must not have understood what you said. That seems
> to be a continuing trend between myself and live-build.
citing from #debian-devel:
---snip---
[...]
2010-11-28 13:20:53 < dba> liw: live-build supports that already now.
2010-
On Tue, 2011-07-26 at 11:05 +0200, Philipp Hagemeister wrote:
> Jon Dowland wrote:
> > The VM definition file is trickier. qemu/kvm essentially don't have
> one; you
> > would supply command-line arguments to the tool.
> virsh/libvirt/virt-manager et
> > al sitting on top of KVM have an XML defini
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 12:28:30PM +0200, Daniel Baumann wrote:
> exactly. i told you this when you asked about it when you were looking
> into it, and also after you've come up with vmdebootstrap.
Sorry, if you did, I must not have understood what you said. That seems
to be a continuing trend bet
On 07/28/2011 12:07 PM, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> (No idea if the code
> actually supports it or not.)
it does.
> Having to hunt for this information is annoying (but seems
> typical for live-build documentation)
lacking manpower.. you know.. so we try to focus making the most used
features be pro
On Tue, 2011-07-26 at 21:07 +0200, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote:
> Vincent Bernat schrieb:
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> >
> > OoO En cette matin=C3=A9e ensoleill=C3=A9e du mardi 26 juillet 2011, vers=
> > 09:28,
> > Lucas N
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:45:30AM +0200, Daniel Baumann wrote:
> On 07/28/2011 10:34 AM, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> > Where is that documented?
>
> man lb_config and look for -b virtual-hdd in connection with
> --virtual-*. if you build with --initramfs none, you'll get a non-live
> image, if you bu
On 07/28/2011 10:34 AM, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> Where is that documented?
man lb_config and look for -b virtual-hdd in connection with
--virtual-*. if you build with --initramfs none, you'll get a non-live
image, if you build with --initramfs live-boot (default), you'll get a
live image.
--
Addr
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:28:04AM +0200, Daniel Baumann wrote:
> On 07/28/2011 10:21 AM, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> > Last I looked, live-build built read-only images,
>
> that's not true, the fs images (!= iso, != usb-hdd) are always RW[0].
> linaro used that functionality in lb some years ago alre
On 07/28/2011 10:21 AM, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> Last I looked, live-build built read-only images,
that's not true, the fs images (!= iso, != usb-hdd) are always RW[0].
linaro used that functionality in lb some years ago already.
[0] not your fault for not seeing it, it's rather confusing since th
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:13:07AM +0200, Daniel Baumann wrote:
> On 07/26/2011 09:18 PM, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote:
> > I've never used Debian Live. Would a Vbox of Debian Live in installed
> > mode be any different to an installed standard Debian?
>
> like i said, live-build can build images that
On 07/26/2011 09:18 PM, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote:
> I've never used Debian Live. Would a Vbox of Debian Live in installed
> mode be any different to an installed standard Debian?
like i said, live-build can build images that are 'live enabled' or not.
in the latter case, they are no different than
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 11:48:57AM +0930, Karl Goetz wrote:
> It seems bizarre to me that we require packages to build
> using software in main to be 'debian', but we wouldn't
> require it for images distributed as being 'debian'.
What if DFSG tools to produce the proprietary formats were
availabl
On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 18:44:26 +0200
Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote:
> Karl Goetz schrieb:
>
> >> I think it's sufficient for starters to provide images for stable
> >> (they can be updated for every few point updates if needed).
> >>=20
> >> What virtualisation solutions should be supported?
> >
> >> -
On Jul 26, 2011, at 19:38, Charles Plessy wrote:
> Le Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 09:28:29AM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum a écrit :
>>>
>>> What virtualisation solutions should be supported?
>>> - Virtual Box seems like a natural candidate since it's free and
>>> included since Squeeze.
>>> - Vmware has a sign
Hello Charles,
Some unofficial Debian AMIs are already being produced, see
http://wiki.debian.org/Cloud/AmazonEC2Image
I have updated that list with the most recently created images in all
regions. Thanks for reminding me of it
To enable secure SSH login, booting after kernel update, an
(CCed people involved in the two following URLs:)
http://bugs.debian.org/592550
http://wiki.debian.org/Cloud/AmazonEC2Image
Le Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 09:28:29AM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum a écrit :
> >
> > What virtualisation solutions should be supported?
> > - Virtual Box seems like a natural candidat
Daniel Baumann schrieb:
> On 07/26/2011 12:27 AM, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote:
>> I believe it's high time we start to providing Debian in form of official
>> virtualisation images.
>
> we have worked on that with debian-live (both producing live and
> 'non-live' images; the only difference is that li
Jon Dowland schrieb:
> Perhaps a Debian web service could spit out custom VM definitions alongside
> the
> image file in a chosen disk format for users on-demand?
>
> For starters, compressed RAW disk format is perhaps the most useful disk image
> format (can be imported into virtually anything)
Ian Campbell schrieb:
> On Tue, 2011-07-26 at 00:27 +0200, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I believe it's high time we start to providing Debian in form of official
>> virtualisation images. [...]
>> Do people think this is relevant and are willing to work on providing
>> one of the images? If
Stefano Zacchiroli schrieb:
> Additionally, I think we should also consider getting contacts with
> "cloud providers" (e.g. Amazon, as mentioned in this thread) and have
> them offer Debian images provided by us. Some of those provider already
> offer, possibly via third parties, Debian virtualiz
Lars Wirzenius schrieb:
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:27:09AM +0200, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote:
>> What virtualisation solutions should be supported?
>> - Virtual Box seems like a natural candidate since it's free and
>> included since Squeeze.
>> - Vmware has a significant installed base and is re
debian schrieb:
> For now I would recommend against pre-configured Citrix XenServer
> releases. I am a Citrix CCNA and I would not recommend that for this
> very reason. Debian is best set up in Citrix Xenserver from scratch.
Is there a technical reason or is this personal preference?
The i
Michael Tokarev schrieb:
>>> What virtualisation solutions should be supported?
>>> - Virtual Box seems like a natural candidate since it's free and
>>> included since Squeeze.
>>> - Vmware has a significant installed base and is relevant, although
>>> proprietary
>>> - Microsoft Virtual PC i
Vincent Bernat schrieb:
> --=-=-=
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>
> OoO En cette matin=C3=A9e ensoleill=C3=A9e du mardi 26 juillet 2011, vers=
> 09:28,
> Lucas Nussbaum disait=C2=A0:
>
>>> What virtualisation solutions should be support
> Moritz Mühlenhoff writes:
> Hi, I believe it's high time we start to providing Debian in form of
> official virtualisation images. In contrast to the ISOs currently
> provided it allows a quicker evaluation/testing of Debian (and can
> also be very useful for testing (e. g. someone wro
On 07/26/2011 09:53 AM, Olivier Bonvalet wrote:
> Le 26/07/2011 09:28, Lucas Nussbaum a écrit :
>> On 26/07/11 at 00:27 +0200, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I believe it's high time we start to providing Debian in form of
>>> official
>>> virtualisation images. In contrast to the ISOs curren
Karl Goetz schrieb:
>> I think it's sufficient for starters to provide images for stable
>> (they can be updated for every few point updates if needed).
>>=20
>> What virtualisation solutions should be supported?
>
>> - Vmware has a significant installed base and is relevant, although
>> propri
On 07/26/2011 12:27 AM, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote:
> I believe it's high time we start to providing Debian in form of official
> virtualisation images.
we have worked on that with debian-live (both producing live and
'non-live' images; the only difference is that live-* is not installed
in the rootf
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 02:34:18PM +0400, Michael Tokarev wrote:
> The only problem is that raw images may be large(ish). For that,
> create as small as possible file, to fit stuff almost exactly,
> and recommend resizing it. Maybe... :)
I'm fairly sure that compressed RAW is not much larger tha
26.07.2011 02:46, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:27:09AM +0200, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote:
>> What virtualisation solutions should be supported?
>> - Virtual Box seems like a natural candidate since it's free and
>> included since Squeeze.
>> - Vmware has a significant installed
On Tue, 2011-07-26 at 00:27 +0200, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote:
> Hi,
> I believe it's high time we start to providing Debian in form of official
> virtualisation images. [...]
> Do people think this is relevant and are willing to work on providing
> one of the images? If so, we could arrange a BoF at
On mar., 2011-07-26 at 11:15 +0200, Luca Capello wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 00:46:47 +0200, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:27:09AM +0200, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote:
> >> I believe it's high time we start to providing Debian in form of
> official
> >> virtualisation images.
>
Jon Dowland wrote:
> The VM definition file is trickier. qemu/kvm essentially don't have
one; you
> would supply command-line arguments to the tool.
virsh/libvirt/virt-manager et
> al sitting on top of KVM have an XML definition. VMWare uses an XML
definition.
> I suspect VirtualBox does as well.
On 07/26/2011 02:00 AM, Tony Godshall wrote:
>>> What virtualisation solutions should be supported?
>>
>>> - Vmware has a significant installed base and is relevant, although
>>> proprietary
>>> - Microsoft Virtual PC is likely also needed
>>> - Citrix XenServer?
>>
>> Would this require the Debi
Hi there!
On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 00:46:47 +0200, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:27:09AM +0200, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote:
>> I believe it's high time we start to providing Debian in form of official
>> virtualisation images.
While the Debian Events team mainly needs a BabelBox, it
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:27:09AM +0200, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote:
> I believe it's high time we start to providing Debian in form of official
> virtualisation images
Yes, absolutely. These days having virtual images is yet another way of
distributing an operating system and I think we should do t
OoO En cette matinée ensoleillée du mardi 26 juillet 2011, vers 09:28,
Lucas Nussbaum disait :
>> What virtualisation solutions should be supported?
>> - Virtual Box seems like a natural candidate since it's free and
>> included since Squeeze.
>> - Vmware has a significant installed base and is
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:27:09AM +0200, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote:
> I think it's sufficient for starters to provide images for stable
> (they can be updated for every few point updates if needed).
>
> What virtualisation solutions should be supported?
As far as I understand it, a VM is usually t
Le 26/07/2011 09:28, Lucas Nussbaum a écrit :
On 26/07/11 at 00:27 +0200, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote:
Hi,
I believe it's high time we start to providing Debian in form of official
virtualisation images. In contrast to the ISOs currently provided it
allows a quicker evaluation/testing of Debian (and
Le 26/07/2011 09:28, Lucas Nussbaum a écrit :
On 26/07/11 at 00:27 +0200, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote:
Hi,
I believe it's high time we start to providing Debian in form of official
virtualisation images. In contrast to the ISOs currently provided it
allows a quicker evaluation/testing of Debian (and
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 11:46:47PM +0100, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> Anyway, qemu-img can convert a raw disk image
> into many other formats. So you generate one raw image, and then
> convert it to any other formats using qemu-img.
Also, according to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_disk_image#Vir
On 26/07/11 at 00:27 +0200, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote:
> Hi,
> I believe it's high time we start to providing Debian in form of official
> virtualisation images. In contrast to the ISOs currently provided it
> allows a quicker evaluation/testing of Debian (and can also be very
> useful for testing (e
On mar., 2011-07-26 at 00:27 +0200, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote:
> I believe it's high time we start to providing Debian in form of official
> virtualisation images. In contrast to the ISOs currently provided it
> allows a quicker evaluation/testing of Debian (and can also be very
> useful for testing
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Karl Goetz wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 00:27:09 +0200
> Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> I believe it's high time we start to providing Debian in form of
>> official virtualisation images. In contrast to the ISOs currently
>
> I'd certainly find qemu-kvm imag
On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 00:27:09 +0200
Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote:
> Hi,
> I believe it's high time we start to providing Debian in form of
> official virtualisation images. In contrast to the ISOs currently
I'd certainly find qemu-kvm images handy, Problem might be with the
amount of space on the host
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:27:09AM +0200, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote:
> What virtualisation solutions should be supported?
> - Virtual Box seems like a natural candidate since it's free and
> included since Squeeze.
> - Vmware has a significant installed base and is relevant, although
> proprietar
Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote:
> Do people think this is relevant and are willing to work on providing
> one of the images? If so, we could arrange a BoF at DebConf.
Moritz,
I just want to say that I think its an awesome idea. I'm not at
debconf, but I may try to find time to help if something gets go
On 7/25/2011 6:27 PM, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote:
Hi,
I believe it's high time we start to providing Debian in form of official
virtualisation images. In contrast to the ISOs currently provided it
allows a quicker evaluation/testing of Debian (and can also be very
useful for testing (e.g. someone wr
Hi,
I believe it's high time we start to providing Debian in form of official
virtualisation images. In contrast to the ISOs currently provided it
allows a quicker evaluation/testing of Debian (and can also be very
useful for testing (e.g. someone wrote on debian-release that he doesn't have
access
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