Re: systemd is here to stay, get over it now (was: Re: Pinning vs. conflicting)

2014-07-03 Thread Axel Wagner
Hi, Matthias Urlichs writes: >> Please respect our decision to stay away from systemd and still be >> Debian users. If possible, please, don't resist changes that make our >> lives easier. >> > *Sigh*. > > The problem is not that anybody resists such changes. I disagree. People *do* in fact res

Re: systemd is here to stay, get over it now (was: Re: Pinning vs. conflicting)

2014-07-03 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Alexander Pushkin: > It's core developers *Its. I think we can do without (quite unfounded, IMHO) insinuations that systemd is somehow infected with an NSA-sponsored backdoor or two, thank you very much. > Please respect our decision to stay away from systemd and still be Debian > users. I

Re: systemd is here to stay, get over it now (was: Re: Pinning vs. conflicting)

2014-07-03 Thread Alexander Pushkin
Didier, Hello. > The proper solution is to stop trying to hide ourselves from to the fact > that some sort of systemd interfaces have been made unavoidable in > modern desktop environments (fact which is rightfully reflected in our > dependencies tree). > Can we get over this now and start ma

systemd is here to stay, get over it now (was: Re: Pinning vs. conflicting)

2014-07-03 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Folks, Le jeudi, 3 juillet 2014, 14.20:24 Juliusz Chroboczek a écrit : > Isn't the proper solution to add blacklisting support to dpkg, then? The proper solution is to stop trying to hide ourselves from to the fact that some sort of systemd interfaces have been made unavoidable in modern deskto

Re: Pinning vs. conflicting

2014-07-03 Thread Jeroen Dekkers
At Thu, 03 Jul 2014 14:20:24 +0200, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: > > > You have not yet explained why apt pinning is not enough. > > >>> Simply because apt is not the only way to install packages. > > >> Don't synaptic and/or whatever honor these pins too? > > > I have no idea about synaptic,

Re: Pinning vs. conflicting

2014-07-03 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
> You have not yet explained why apt pinning is not enough. >>> Simply because apt is not the only way to install packages. >> Don't synaptic and/or whatever honor these pins too? > I have no idea about synaptic, but there’s e.g. cupt (which > works as apt replacement, but probably (didn’t c

Re: Pinning vs. conflicting

2014-07-03 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Matthias Urlichs wrote: >Thorsten Glaser: >> >> You have not yet explained why apt pinning is not enough. >> Simply because apt is not the only way to install packages. >Don't synaptic and/or whatever honor these pins too? I have no idea about synaptic, but there’s e.g. cupt (which works as apt

Re: Pinning vs. conflicting

2014-07-03 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Thorsten Glaser: > >> You have not yet explained why apt pinning is not enough. > > Simply because apt is not the only way to install packages. > Don't synaptic and/or whatever honor these pins too? > Right. Furthermore, pinning can be used by the local admin, > without namespacing pin prio

Re: Pinning vs. conflicting

2014-07-03 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: >Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: >> You have not yet explained why apt pinning is not enough. Simply because apt is not the only way to install packages. > - conflicting packages are honoured by dpkg, unlike pinning; > - a package can conflict with multiple packages, whil

Re: Pinning vs. conflicting [was: How to avoid stealth installation...]

2014-07-03 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Jo, 03 iul 14, 00:24:44, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: > > You have not yet explained why apt pinning is not enough. > > I'd appreciate an explanation too. I've inserted in my apt/preferences > file the incantation given by Vitali F. (to whom thanks) at the very > beginning of this thread, and it

Re: Pinning vs. conflicting

2014-07-02 Thread Nikolaus Rath
Juliusz Chroboczek writes: >> You have not yet explained why apt pinning is not enough. > > I'd appreciate an explanation too. I've inserted in my apt/preferences > file the incantation given by Vitali F. (to whom thanks) at the very > beginning of this thread, and it appears to have the requeste

Pinning vs. conflicting [was: How to avoid stealth installation...]

2014-07-02 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
> You have not yet explained why apt pinning is not enough. I'd appreciate an explanation too. I've inserted in my apt/preferences file the incantation given by Vitali F. (to whom thanks) at the very beginning of this thread, and it appears to have the requested effect. I've looked through the w