Re: Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-13 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 03:41:09PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 12:43:16PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > Manners/politeness is social lubricant. It makes society run > > smoother and less violently. > > I'm pretty sure that people who always take the path of least > re

Re: Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-11 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 02:00 +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 03:41:09PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 12:43:16PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > Manners/politeness is social lubricant. It makes society run > > > smoother and less violently. > > I'm

Re: Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-11 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 03:41:09PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 12:43:16PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > Manners/politeness is social lubricant. It makes society run > > smoother and less violently. > I'm pretty sure that people who always take the path of least > resis

Re: Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-11 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 10:30 +1100, Terry Dawson wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: > > > With beliefs like that, no wonder this world is going to hell in a > > hand basket. > > > > Manners/politeness is social lubricant. It makes society run > > smoother and less violently. > > I'd have thought the m

Re: Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-11 Thread Terry Dawson
Ron Johnson wrote: > With beliefs like that, no wonder this world is going to hell in a > hand basket. > > Manners/politeness is social lubricant. It makes society run > smoother and less violently. I'd have thought the most polite action in the scenario you present is to acknowledge that othe

Re: Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-11 Thread Terry Dawson
Hamish Moffatt wrote: > FWIW, there's no such restriction in the Australian regulations, > as far as I can see. I concur, that's generally correct. The ACA has relaxed the profane language requirements somewhat since they were tested in court (by a commercial broadcast radio operator) some time b

Re: Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-11 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 09:49:25AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Wed, 2006-01-11 at 15:41 +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 12:43:16PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > Manners/politeness is social lubricant. It makes society run > > > smoother and less violently. > > > >

Re: Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-11 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2006-01-11 at 15:41 +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 12:43:16PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > Manners/politeness is social lubricant. It makes society run > > smoother and less violently. > > I'm pretty sure that people who always take the path of least > resistanc

Re: Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-11 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 12:43:16PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > Manners/politeness is social lubricant. It makes society run > smoother and less violently. I'm pretty sure that people who always take the path of least resistance are *precisely* how the world got so fucked up in the first place.

Re: Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-11 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2006-01-11 at 10:49 +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 12:43:16PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > Dishonesty is *not* an equivalent substitute for respect. If you're > > > being nice to somebody even though you don't like them, that doesn't > > > make you a better person,

Re: Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-10 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 12:43:16PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > Dishonesty is *not* an equivalent substitute for respect. If you're > > being nice to somebody even though you don't like them, that doesn't > > make you a better person, it just makes you a liar. > With beliefs like that, no wonder t

Re: Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-10 Thread Ron Johnson
On Tue, 2006-01-10 at 09:28 +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 01:13:06AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Mon, 2006-01-09 at 19:13 -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: > > > On Mon, 09 Jan 2006, Benjamin Seidenberg wrote: > > > > Miles Bader wrote: > > [snip] > > > > > > I, for one, a

Re: Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-10 Thread John H. Robinson, IV
Andrew Suffield wrote: > > Dishonesty is *not* an equivalent substitute for respect. If you're > being nice to somebody even though you don't like them, that doesn't > make you a better person, it just makes you a liar. It is possible to be nice to someone that you do not like, and to do so hones

Re: Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-10 Thread Ron Johnson
On Tue, 2006-01-10 at 20:52 +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 01:03:33AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > How exactly do IP packets get transmitted via packet radio? Morse > > code, with binary files uuencoded? > > Is that a serious question? Totally serious, since the only way

Re: Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-10 Thread Ron Johnson
On Tue, 2006-01-10 at 09:28 +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 01:13:06AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Mon, 2006-01-09 at 19:13 -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: > > > On Mon, 09 Jan 2006, Benjamin Seidenberg wrote: > > > > Miles Bader wrote: > > [snip] > > > > > > I, for one, a

Re: Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-10 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 01:03:33AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > How exactly do IP packets get transmitted via packet radio? Morse > code, with binary files uuencoded? Is that a serious question? Packet radio IS the layer 1/2, which clearly rules out Morse code. In fact, IP is encapsulated into AX

Re: Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-10 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 07:03:24AM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > The UK authorities can take away my amateur licence and fine me (and > potentially put me in jail) for wilfully breaking the terms of my > licence. My hobby is governed by an international agreement - so > the ITU in Berne coul

Re: Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-10 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 01:13:06AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Mon, 2006-01-09 at 19:13 -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: > > On Mon, 09 Jan 2006, Benjamin Seidenberg wrote: > > > Miles Bader wrote: > [snip] > > > > I, for one, am far more interested in the message than the way which > > the message

Re: Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-09 Thread Ron Johnson
On Mon, 2006-01-09 at 19:13 -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Mon, 09 Jan 2006, Benjamin Seidenberg wrote: > > Miles Bader wrote: [snip] > > I, for one, am far more interested in the message than the way which > the message is conveyed. The way the message is conveyed *is* part of the message. If

Re: Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-09 Thread Ron Johnson
On Tue, 2006-01-10 at 20:25 +0900, Miles Bader wrote: > Benjamin Seidenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Err, sorry, I meant § 97.113(a)(4). > > > > Also, my previous message applies to amateur operators in the US. > > Amateurs in other nations are similiary regulated by their equivelent to > >

Re: Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-09 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 08:25:11PM +0900, Miles Bader wrote: > Benjamin Seidenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > So what's the likelihood that this is actually a problem? 0.1%? > 0.001%? > Small, but real. > > In the extremely unlikely event that it is a problem, why should it be

Re: Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-09 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 09 Jan 2006, Benjamin Seidenberg wrote: > Miles Bader wrote: > >So what's the likelihood that this is actually a problem? 0.1%? > >0.001%? > > Probably a bit higher (not too much), given that radio waves > propagate, and anyone in a large area could see them, but you're > right

Re: Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-09 Thread Benjamin Seidenberg
Miles Bader wrote: Benjamin Seidenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Err, sorry, I meant § 97.113(a)(4). Also, my previous message applies to amateur operators in the US. Amateurs in other nations are similiary regulated by their equivelent to the FCC, with similar rules which are all based o

Re: Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-09 Thread Miles Bader
Benjamin Seidenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Err, sorry, I meant § 97.113(a)(4). > > Also, my previous message applies to amateur operators in the US. > Amateurs in other nations are similiary regulated by their equivelent to > the FCC, with similar rules which are all based on ITU regulations

Re: Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-09 Thread Benjamin Seidenberg
Benjamin Seidenberg wrote: Yes, the FCC. See part 97 of the FCC rules (US CFR Title 47), specifically § 97.113(1) [0] Err, sorry, I meant § 97.113(a)(4). Also, my previous message applies to amateur operators in the US. Amateurs in other nations are similiary regulated by their equivelent

Re: Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-09 Thread Benjamin Seidenberg
Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: On Sun, 2006-01-08 at 09:02 +0100, Stephan Hermann wrote: - Do not use foul language; besides, some people receive the lists via packet radio, where swearing is illegal. This sentence surprised me in quite some ways: - "besides": besides what? Do not swear, an

Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-09 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Sun, 2006-01-08 at 09:02 +0100, Stephan Hermann wrote: > - Do not use foul language; besides, some people receive the lists via packet > radio, where swearing is illegal. This sentence surprised me in quite some ways: - "besides": besides what? Do not swear, and apart from that, some people