Re: NEW queue and ftp-master approval

2005-01-31 Thread Frank Küster
Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Overall, in my eyes, the question becomes: Does Debian trust DDs not >> to add debs with silly names to existing sources? > > I recently was very mistaken about the proper way to deal with a >

Re: NEW queue and ftp-master approval

2005-01-31 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Overall, in my eyes, the question becomes: Does Debian trust DDs not > to add debs with silly names to existing sources? I recently was very mistaken about the proper way to deal with a confusing (to me) solib change, combined with a mistaken upl

Re: NM queue and groups [Was: NEW queue and ftp-master approval]

2005-01-27 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 12:08:27PM -0700, Joel Aelwyn wrote: > In fact, the parts you have chosen to keep, and respond to, are the far > *less* relevant portions of what I wrote. They existed as a demonstration > only of one reason I consider it important for people to have some > agreement on what

Re: NM queue and groups [Was: NEW queue and ftp-master approval]

2005-01-26 Thread Joel Aelwyn
On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 10:30:01AM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 06:01:26PM -0700, Joel Aelwyn wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 12:06:06AM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 10:52:48AM -0700, Joel Aelwyn wrote: > > > > [1] Which is a separate ran

Re: NM queue and groups [Was: NEW queue and ftp-master approval]

2005-01-26 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 06:01:26PM -0700, Joel Aelwyn wrote: > On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 12:06:06AM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 10:52:48AM -0700, Joel Aelwyn wrote: > > > [1] Which is a separate rant, and frankly, I think Debian needs to be > > > clear about what we real

Re: NM queue and groups [Was: NEW queue and ftp-master approval]

2005-01-25 Thread Joel Aelwyn
On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 12:06:06AM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 10:52:48AM -0700, Joel Aelwyn wrote: > > [1] Which is a separate rant, and frankly, I think Debian needs to be > > clear about what we really mean by "We won't hide probles" in our Social > > Contract > > It

Re: NM queue and groups [Was: NEW queue and ftp-master approval]

2005-01-25 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 10:52:48AM -0700, Joel Aelwyn wrote: > [1] Which is a separate rant, and frankly, I think Debian needs to be > clear about what we really mean by "We won't hide probles" in our Social > Contract It's a literal statement. We won't hide them. As always with the social contrac

NM queue and groups [Was: NEW queue and ftp-master approval]

2005-01-25 Thread Joel Aelwyn
On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 08:25:22AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:28:25 +0100, Goswin von Brederlow > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >I think ftp-master already has a more complex prioritizing than > >that. Adding a new kernel images deb tends to be real fast (with > >exceptions),

Re: NEW queue and ftp-master approval

2005-01-25 Thread Frank Küster
Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [automatic NEW processing for split or renamed binary packages, and occasionally a bug report and removal from the archive of a badly named package] > I could live with that if it means a lot more packages don't get stuck > in NEW. But maybe that i

Re: NEW queue and ftp-master approval

2005-01-25 Thread Otavio Salvador
|| On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 15:31:55 +0100 || Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: gvb> How often does it actualy happen that ftp-master rejects the name of a gvb> package? Did anyone have that happen to him/her when adding a new deb gvb> to old source ever? >> >> This is not the only prob

Re: NEW queue and ftp-master approval

2005-01-25 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Otavio Salvador <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > || On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 07:37:49 +0100 > || Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > gvb> Then the maintainer gets a bugreport saying they should > gvb> Replace/Conflict/Provide the silly name. Also ftp-mster could get an > gvb> automatic no

Re: NEW queue and ftp-master approval

2005-01-25 Thread Otavio Salvador
|| On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 07:37:49 +0100 || Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: gvb> Then the maintainer gets a bugreport saying they should gvb> Replace/Conflict/Provide the silly name. Also ftp-mster could get an gvb> automatic notice about new debs and a 3 day window to veto it or gvb

[OT] Re: NEW queue and ftp-master approval

2005-01-25 Thread Ron Johnson
On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 01:40 -0600, Joe Wreschnig wrote: > On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 01:06 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 07:39 +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > > > On Mon, 2005-01-24 at 22:28 +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wro

Re: NEW queue and ftp-master approval

2005-01-25 Thread Frank Küster
Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How often does it actualy happen that ftp-master rejects the name of a > package? Did anyone have that happen to him/her when adding a new deb > to old source ever? There have been discussions about library renaming in the last couple of weeks, an

Re: NEW queue and ftp-master approval

2005-01-24 Thread Joe Wreschnig
On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 01:06 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 07:39 +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > On Mon, 2005-01-24 at 22:28 +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > >> Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >

Re: NEW queue and ftp-master approval

2005-01-24 Thread Marc Haber
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:28:25 +0100, Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I think ftp-master already has a more complex prioritizing than >that. Adding a new kernel images deb tends to be real fast (with >exceptions), adding a new deb to old source reasonable fast and >completly new sour

Re: NEW queue and ftp-master approval

2005-01-24 Thread Ron Johnson
On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 07:39 +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Mon, 2005-01-24 at 22:28 +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > >> Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > [snip] > >> have to be done for NEW packages, e.g. inform some

Re: NEW queue and ftp-master approval

2005-01-24 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, 2005-01-24 at 22:28 +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >> Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [snip] >> have to be done for NEW packages, e.g. inform some U.S. government >> agency about the new deb, add an override entry into th

Re: NEW queue and ftp-master approval

2005-01-24 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Otavio Salvador <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > || On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:56:20 +0100 > || Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> Why not automate the NEW queue for packages with prior source versions >>> in the archive? Worst case ftp-master has to remove a deb with silly >>>

Re: NEW queue and ftp-master approval

2005-01-24 Thread Kevin Mark
On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 10:28:25PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Hello. > > > > Our NEW queue is quite big and time needed to get package into unstable is > > rather long. Nothing wrong with that for me, I know that ftp-masters are

Re: NEW queue and ftp-master approval

2005-01-24 Thread Ron Johnson
On Mon, 2005-01-24 at 22:28 +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [snip] > have to be done for NEW packages, e.g. inform some U.S. government > agency about the new deb, add an override entry into the db. The only Could you flesh that out a littl

Re: NEW queue and ftp-master approval

2005-01-24 Thread Otavio Salvador
|| On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:56:20 +0100 || Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Why not automate the NEW queue for packages with prior source versions >> in the archive? Worst case ftp-master has to remove a deb with silly >> name from archive and kick the DD for it. >> >> Corre

Re: NEW queue and ftp-master approval

2005-01-24 Thread Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo
On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 10:28:25PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > Our NEW queue is quite big and time needed to get package into unstable is > > rather long. Nothing wrong with that for me, I know that ftp-masters are > > busy and that approving these packages is very important and respons

Re: NEW queue and ftp-master approval

2005-01-24 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hello. > > Our NEW queue is quite big and time needed to get package into unstable is > rather long. Nothing wrong with that for me, I know that ftp-masters are > busy and that approving these packages is very important and responsible > tas

Re: NEW queue and ftp-master approval

2005-01-24 Thread Andreas Tille
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005, Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo wrote: Any comments on that? No further comments but an addition. I think there are some easy tasks to *remove* packages like #283015 (or rather #282891). If the situation is such simple as in this case the bug should not really stand open for 60 days

NEW queue and ftp-master approval

2005-01-24 Thread Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo
Hello. Our NEW queue is quite big and time needed to get package into unstable is rather long. Nothing wrong with that for me, I know that ftp-masters are busy and that approving these packages is very important and responsible task. But there are two kind of packages in NEW queue. "Totally"