Re: Making Debian available, non-free promotor

2021-01-29 Thread Yao Wei
On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 01:38:24PM +0100, Ansgar wrote: > Yao Wei writes: > >> We encourage you to get devices that respects your freedom. > > Should this message also be shown when non-free firmware is preinstalled > in the system for educational purposes? > > Or do devices that have pre-install

Re: Making Debian available, non-free promotor

2021-01-29 Thread Ansgar
Yao Wei writes: > At then, we can let users download the missing drivers from the > generated webpage, like the following: > >> Additional packages for the network interface >> == >> >> As Debian is the universal operating system, we consider both users >> and free software important. However,

Re: Making Debian available, non-free promotor

2021-01-29 Thread Holger Wansing
Hi, Paul Sutton wrote: > > > On 29/01/2021 03:23, Yao Wei wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Could there be the way that, with installer unable to connect to the > > internet, it detects the list of missing blobs, and generate a webpage > > in the thumb drive, and let user plug in another flash drive to d

Re: Making Debian available, non-free promotor

2021-01-29 Thread Paul Sutton
On 29/01/2021 03:23, Yao Wei wrote: Hi, Could there be the way that, with installer unable to connect to the internet, it detects the list of missing blobs, and generate a webpage in the thumb drive, and let user plug in another flash drive to download them. I agree with this idea, it would

Re: Making Debian available, non-free promotor

2021-01-28 Thread Yao Wei
Hi, Could there be the way that, with installer unable to connect to the internet, it detects the list of missing blobs, and generate a webpage in the thumb drive, and let user plug in another flash drive to download them. At then, we can let users download the missing drivers from the generated

Re: Making Debian available, non-free promotor

2021-01-28 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jan 28, "Daniel S." wrote: > This image does not provide unfree WiFi firmware. It is not just about Wi-Fi but also audio, video and wired Ethernet. > This gives visibility to the actual problem and the only true solution. There is really no reason to believe that, even with significant fundi

Re: Making Debian available, non-free promotor

2021-01-27 Thread Geert Stappers
On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 09:44:36AM +0200, Jonathan Carter wrote: > On 2021/01/28 01:49, Daniel S. wrote: > > The hope would be that, after collecting a 5 figure sum has been > > donated, paid developers work on freeing the most common firmware(s). > > If that was enough to free up firmware, we'd p

Re: Making Debian available, non-free promotor

2021-01-27 Thread Jonathan Carter
On 2021/01/28 01:49, Daniel S. wrote: > The hope would be that, after collecting a 5 figure sum has been > donated, paid developers work on freeing the most common firmware(s). If that was enough to free up firmware, we'd probably have figured out a way to pay that right away without even spending

Re: Making Debian available, non-free promotor

2021-01-27 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 12:49:43AM +0100, Daniel S. wrote: > * Consider donating $25 to our __free-WiFi-fund__ to free your adapter > firmware What fund? > This gives visibility to the actual problem and the only true solution. What true solution? > It works towards a future, where the free image

Re: Making Debian available, non-free promotor

2021-01-27 Thread Daniel S.
I'd like to propose a solution that helps both, the user and Debian: Add a message like this on the downloads page: ## NOTE: This image does not provide unfree WiFi firmware. If you have a WiFi adapter, it will most likely not work. (__learn more__) * Consider using __this__ image

Re: Making Debian available, non-free promotor

2021-01-23 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 07:56:30PM +0100, Philipp Kern wrote: > On 15.01.21 13:42, Ansgar wrote: > > On Tue, 2021-01-12 at 19:30 +0100, Geert Stappers wrote: > >> Ah, yes I also wonder how much the world will improve > >> if non-free would be split in non-free and non-free-firmware. > >> Currently

Re: Making Debian available, non-free promotor

2021-01-16 Thread Philipp Kern
On 15.01.21 13:42, Ansgar wrote: > On Tue, 2021-01-12 at 19:30 +0100, Geert Stappers wrote: >> Ah, yes I also wonder how much the world will improve >> if non-free would be split in non-free and non-free-firmware. >> Currently is non free firmware a hugh promoter of non-free in >> /etc/apt/sources.

Re: Making Debian available, non-free promotor

2021-01-15 Thread Ansgar
On Tue, 2021-01-12 at 19:30 +0100, Geert Stappers wrote: > Ah, yes I also wonder how much the world will improve > if non-free would be split in non-free and non-free-firmware. > Currently is non free firmware a hugh promoter of non-free in > /etc/apt/sources.list I proposed moving non-free firmwa

Re: Making Debian available, non-free promotor

2021-01-12 Thread Geert Stappers
On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 05:14:14PM +0100, Sven Joachim wrote: > On 2021-01-12 16:36 +0100, Geert Stappers wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 02:48:22PM +, Dan Pal wrote: > >> Hello Debian Developers, > > > > Hello World, > > > > > >> I am writing to you from my Debian-Buster 10.6 laptop – tha