Re: Keysigning via Video Conferencing

2016-06-24 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Jonas Smedegaard dijo [Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 10:30:21PM +0200]: > I sign keys by a similar policy as Gunnar, it seems. But I do sign also > people I have not met before... > > The logic I use is that I should be able to re-identify later. If I > meet the person later I might have forgotten thei

Re: Keysigning via Video Conferencing

2016-06-24 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Jakub Wilk dijo [Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 07:30:42PM +0200]: > * Nikolaus Rath , 2016-06-23, 09:23: > >I am wondering if the extra burden is worth the gain in security. If > >everyone were to follow this procedure then the bar to becoming a Debian > >developer would be raised significantly. > > As as

Re: Keysigning via Video Conferencing

2016-06-24 Thread Nikolaus Rath
On Jun 23 2016, ja...@teacaster.net wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > Sorry to interject in this matter however it is beginning to become > repetitive. You may be contributing to this, because you clearly haven't actually read the thread. > If a Debian Developer is to sign your key, they will need to

Re: Keysigning via Video Conferencing

2016-06-24 Thread Nikolaus Rath
On Jun 23 2016, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 12:52:35PM -0700, Nikolaus Rath wrote: >> On Jun 23 2016, Lars Wirzenius wrote: >> > On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 09:23:07AM -0700, Nikolaus Rath wrote: >> >> As I said in my other email, I am wondering if the extra burden is worth >> >>

Re: Keysigning via Video Conferencing

2016-06-24 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting ja...@teacaster.net (2016-06-23 23:17:11) > PGP Key Signing for New Members is purely an identification process, > to prove that you are who you say you are. This provides the Debian > Foundation with the assurance that you can be trusted monitoring their > infrastructure, uploading pack

Re: Keysigning via Video Conferencing

2016-06-23 Thread james
Hello Everyone, Sorry to interject in this matter however it is beginning to become repetitive. PGP Key Signing for New Members is purely an identification process, to prove that you are who you say you are. This provides the Debian Foundation with the assurance that you can be trusted monitor

Re: Keysigning via Video Conferencing

2016-06-23 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Michael Lustfield (2016-06-23 21:27:15) > Somewhere, I saw it mentioned that you should be able to verify based > on history only and their legal name doesn't matter. I don't entirely > disagree. The chances of the NSA building a super computer to > contribute to Debian, become a DD, and

Re: Keysigning via Video Conferencing

2016-06-23 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 12:52:35PM -0700, Nikolaus Rath wrote: > On Jun 23 2016, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 09:23:07AM -0700, Nikolaus Rath wrote: > >> As I said in my other email, I am wondering if the extra burden is worth > >> the gain in security. > > > > Is there an ext

Re: Keysigning via Video Conferencing

2016-06-23 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Peter Colberg (2016-06-23 20:39:52) > On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 07:30:42PM +0200, Jakub Wilk wrote: >> As as data point, if everybody[0]'s key signing policy had been that >> establishing "social bonds" was a prerequisite, I would have almost >> certainly never become a DD. > > I would like

Re: Keysigning via Video Conferencing

2016-06-23 Thread Nikolaus Rath
On Jun 23 2016, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 09:23:07AM -0700, Nikolaus Rath wrote: >> As I said in my other email, I am wondering if the extra burden is worth >> the gain in security. > > Is there an extra burden? Seems to me that it'd happen naturally if > you contribute to De

Re: Keysigning via Video Conferencing

2016-06-23 Thread Michael Lustfield
On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 9:28 AM, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 09:23:07AM -0700, Nikolaus Rath wrote: > > As I said in my other email, I am wondering if the extra burden is worth > > the gain in security. > > Is there an extra burden? Seems to me that it'd happen naturally if >

Re: Keysigning via Video Conferencing

2016-06-23 Thread Peter Colberg
On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 02:39:52PM -0400, Peter Colberg wrote: > The union of the DDs I have worked with and the DDs that were kind > enough to meet with me for key signing on their travel through my > city is an empty set. How embarrassing: I meant the intersection, of course. Peter signature.

Re: Keysigning via Video Conferencing

2016-06-23 Thread Peter Colberg
On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 07:30:42PM +0200, Jakub Wilk wrote: > As as data point, if everybody[0]'s key signing policy had been that > establishing "social bonds" was a prerequisite, I would have almost > certainly never become a DD. I would like to add another data point as a recent DM. The union o

Re: Keysigning via Video Conferencing

2016-06-23 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Nikolaus Rath , 2016-06-23, 09:23: I am wondering if the extra burden is worth the gain in security. If everyone were to follow this procedure then the bar to becoming a Debian developer would be raised significantly. As as data point, if everybody[0]'s key signing policy had been that esta

Re: Keysigning via Video Conferencing

2016-06-23 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 09:23:07AM -0700, Nikolaus Rath wrote: > As I said in my other email, I am wondering if the extra burden is worth > the gain in security. Is there an extra burden? Seems to me that it'd happen naturally if you contribute to Debian and as part of that interact with other Deb

Re: Keysigning via Video Conferencing

2016-06-23 Thread Nikolaus Rath
On Jun 23 2016, Ben Finney wrote: > Nikolaus Rath writes: > >> But how is your policy preventing this? > > If you're looking for claims of “This policy will absolutely guarantee > the malicious behaviour is impossible”, of course that's not a > believable claim and I don't expect anyone to seriou

Re: Keysigning via Video Conferencing

2016-06-22 Thread Ben Finney
Nikolaus Rath writes: > But how is your policy preventing this? If you're looking for claims of “This policy will absolutely guarantee the malicious behaviour is impossible”, of course that's not a believable claim and I don't expect anyone to seriously propose that. So I don't know what you're

Re: Keysigning via Video Conferencing

2016-06-22 Thread Nikolaus Rath
On Jun 22 2016, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > Nikolaus Rath dijo [Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 07:58:43AM -0700]: >> > Now, I have said this too many times, but once more: As keyring-maint, >> > we are not collecting samples of people showing valid-looking ID >> > documents to others. This is one of the issues why

Re: Keysigning via Video Conferencing

2016-06-22 Thread Nikolaus Rath
On Jun 22 2016, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 07:58:43AM -0700, Nikolaus Rath wrote: >> On Jun 21 2016, Gunnar Wolf wrote: >> > Now, I have said this too many times, but once more: As keyring-maint, >> > we are not collecting samples of people showing valid-looking ID >> > docum

Re: Keysigning via Video Conferencing

2016-06-22 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Lars Wirzenius dijo [Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 07:32:28PM +0300]: > PS. *Obviously* a policy to only sign keys for people you already know > is a stratagem to get people to talk to me at parties. Grah, my evil plan has been foiled. I fear, I will sit lonely with no friends at DebConf :-( Please, someb

Re: Keysigning via Video Conferencing

2016-06-22 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Nikolaus Rath dijo [Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 07:58:43AM -0700]: > > Now, I have said this too many times, but once more: As keyring-maint, > > we are not collecting samples of people showing valid-looking ID > > documents to others. This is one of the issues why we don't have > > long-queue key signing

Re: Keysigning via Video Conferencing

2016-06-22 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Jason Thomas dijo [Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 02:38:52PM +1000]: > Hi Gunnar, > I'm basically in Sydney Australia, however finding time to meet people > is difficult these days, with work, a wife and two little kids. > I live in Penrith NSW, and work in Granville NSW. I do travel up and > down the east c

Re: Keysigning via Video Conferencing

2016-06-22 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 07:58:43AM -0700, Nikolaus Rath wrote: > On Jun 21 2016, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > > Now, I have said this too many times, but once more: As keyring-maint, > > we are not collecting samples of people showing valid-looking ID > > documents to others. This is one of the issues why

Re: Keysigning via Video Conferencing

2016-06-22 Thread Nikolaus Rath
On Jun 21 2016, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > Now, I have said this too many times, but once more: As keyring-maint, > we are not collecting samples of people showing valid-looking ID > documents to others. This is one of the issues why we don't have > long-queue key signing parties: Just checking the ID o

Re: Keysigning via Video Conferencing

2016-06-21 Thread Jason Thomas
Hi Gunnar, I'm basically in Sydney Australia, however finding time to meet people is difficult these days, with work, a wife and two little kids. I live in Penrith NSW, and work in Granville NSW. I do travel up and down the east coast of Australia and around Sydney for work, buts its sporadic. If a

Re: Keysigning via Video Conferencing

2016-06-21 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Jason Thomas dijo [Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 12:31:57PM +1000]: > Hi all, > > I need to get my key signed, is anyone willing to work with me via > video conferencing. > > I have uploaded my key to keyring.debian.org and I have also signed > this message. > > I have a scan of my government issued driv

Re: Keysigning via Video Conferencing

2016-06-20 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Hi Jason, Quoting Jason Thomas (2016-06-20 04:31:57) > I need to get my key signed, is anyone willing to work with me via > video conferencing. Not without first having exhausted other more reliable options. Where in the World are you? Perhaps someone happens to be at a diner or laundromat ju

Keysigning via Video Conferencing

2016-06-19 Thread Jason Thomas
Hi all, I need to get my key signed, is anyone willing to work with me via video conferencing. I have uploaded my key to keyring.debian.org and I have also signed this message. I have a scan of my government issued drivers licence available. fingerprint below: gpg: using classic trust model p