Re: How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-23 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Thibaut Paumard writes: > Le 09/02/12 15:53, Goswin von Brederlow a écrit : >> Hi, >> >> now that a multiarch dpkg has been uploaded to experimental it looks >> like we can finaly get rid of ia32-libs* for wheezy. >> >> !!!HURAY!!! >> >> The problem now is the transition: >> >> 1) multiarch a

Re: How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-15 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Wed, 2012-02-15 at 04:32 +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Ben Hutchings writes: [..] > > Since dpkg will prefer to install packages from the native > > architecture, I don't see any problem here. I suppose I'm biased by > > having actually tested this. > > > > Ben. > > But it is only a pr

Re: How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-14 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Ben Hutchings writes: > On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 04:30:47PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >> Ben Hutchings writes: >> >> > On Sat, 2012-02-11 at 17:33 +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >> >> Bastian Blank writes: >> >> >> >> > On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 01:00:50PM +0100, Bernhard R. Link wr

Re: How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-13 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 04:30:47PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Ben Hutchings writes: > > > On Sat, 2012-02-11 at 17:33 +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > >> Bastian Blank writes: > >> > >> > On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 01:00:50PM +0100, Bernhard R. Link wrote: > >> >>

Re: How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-13 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Adam Borowski writes: > On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 05:33:45PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >> If there is no 64bit kernel in i386 then you can not safely enable >> multiarch to install amd64 packages (in general, kernel my just >> work). It is kind of a prerequisite. > > qemu-user? > > Of cour

Re: How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-13 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Ben Hutchings writes: > On Sat, 2012-02-11 at 17:33 +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >> Bastian Blank writes: >> >> > On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 01:00:50PM +0100, Bernhard R. Link wrote: >> >> just >> >> to have a suiteable kern

Re: How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-11 Thread Adam Borowski
On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 05:33:45PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > If there is no 64bit kernel in i386 then you can not safely enable > multiarch to install amd64 packages (in general, kernel my just > work). It is kind of a prerequisite. qemu-user? Of course, this particular combination is

Re: How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-11 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sat, 2012-02-11 at 17:33 +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Bastian Blank writes: > > > On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 01:00:50PM +0100, Bernhard R. Link wrote: > >> just > >> to have a suiteable kernel would be quite a burden. > >

Re: How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-11 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Bastian Blank writes: > On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 01:00:50PM +0100, Bernhard R. Link wrote: >> just >> to have a suiteable kernel would be quite a burden. > > The -amd64 kernel in i386 arch is some sort of upgrade tool. With > mult

Re: How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-11 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
"Bernhard R. Link" writes: > * Ben Hutchings [120209 20:45]: >> There is a similar issue with linux-image-*-amd64, which I would >> definitely like to remove from i386 as soon as possible. We have >> metapackages to help with this already, but we still need users to add >> amd64 as a foreign ar

Re: How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-10 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Bastian Blank [120210 14:47]: > On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 01:00:50PM +0100, Bernhard R. Link wrote: > > Needing multi-arch enabled (with all the dangers of getting the > > wrong packages installed > > Multi-arch enabled apt makes it hard to install the wrong ones. Also > they are not wrong,

Re: How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-10 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Ben Hutchings [120210 14:45]: > On Fri, 2012-02-10 at 13:00 +0100, Bernhard R. Link wrote: > > * Ben Hutchings [120209 20:45]: > > > There is a similar issue with linux-image-*-amd64, which I would > > > definitely like to remove from i386 as soon as possible. We have > > > metapackages to hel

Re: How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-10 Thread Bastian Blank
On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 01:00:50PM +0100, Bernhard R. Link wrote: > From a user's point of view I'd really appreciate if that package could be > kept. It is a burden for the archive and other infrastructure. > Needing multi-arch enabled (with all the dangers of getting the > wrong packages

Re: How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-10 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Fri, 2012-02-10 at 13:00 +0100, Bernhard R. Link wrote: > * Ben Hutchings [120209 20:45]: > > There is a similar issue with linux-image-*-amd64, which I would > > definitely like to remove from i386 as soon as possible. We have > > metapackages to help with this already, but we still need user

Re: How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-10 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Ben Hutchings [120209 20:45]: > There is a similar issue with linux-image-*-amd64, which I would > definitely like to remove from i386 as soon as possible. We have > metapackages to help with this already, but we still need users to add > amd64 as a foreign architecture before upgrading. >From

Re: How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-10 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Dear ftp-master, I wonder if the solution below for transitioning ia32-libs to multiarch would be OK in regards to DAK and testing transition etc. Any technical problems why we couldn't make an exception for the 3 ia32-libs* packages for this? Steve Langasek writes: > On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 0

Re: How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-09 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 10:52:55AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 04:43:04PM +0100, Thibaut Paumard wrote: > > Le 09/02/12 15:53, Goswin von Brederlow a écrit : > > > > now that a multiarch dpkg has been uploaded to experimental it looks > > > like we can finaly get rid of

Re: How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-09 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 04:43:04PM +0100, Thibaut Paumard wrote: > Le 09/02/12 15:53, Goswin von Brederlow a écrit : > > now that a multiarch dpkg has been uploaded to experimental it looks > > like we can finaly get rid of ia32-libs* for wheezy. > > !!!HURAY!!! > > The problem now is the transi

Re: How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-09 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Samuel Thibault writes: > Goswin von Brederlow, le Thu 09 Feb 2012 15:53:35 +0100, a écrit : >> 3) What about stable users? >> >> I don't see a way to transition stable users slowly. As said above I >> intent to request removal of ia32-libs for wheezy. So there will be no >> transition period wh

Re: How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-09 Thread Thibaut Paumard
Le 09/02/12 15:53, Goswin von Brederlow a écrit : > Hi, > > now that a multiarch dpkg has been uploaded to experimental it looks > like we can finaly get rid of ia32-libs* for wheezy. > > !!!HURAY!!! > > The problem now is the transition: > > 1) multiarch and ia32-libs are incompatible >[...] >

Re: How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-09 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Goswin von Brederlow (09/02/2012): > now that a multiarch dpkg has been uploaded to experimental it looks > like we can finaly get rid of ia32-libs* for wheezy. > > !!!HURAY!!! > > The problem now is the transition: 0) make sure all packages are multiarchified. To check that, I debcheckout'd i

Re: How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-09 Thread Samuel Thibault
Goswin von Brederlow, le Thu 09 Feb 2012 15:53:35 +0100, a écrit : > 3) What about stable users? > > I don't see a way to transition stable users slowly. As said above I > intent to request removal of ia32-libs for wheezy. So there will be no > transition period where both ia32-libs and multiarch

How to tell users that ia32-libs will go away

2012-02-09 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Hi, now that a multiarch dpkg has been uploaded to experimental it looks like we can finaly get rid of ia32-libs* for wheezy. !!!HURAY!!! The problem now is the transition: 1) multiarch and ia32-libs are incompatible Having multiarch packages and ia32-libs installed will lead to some confusion