Re: Horrific new levels of changelog abuse

2003-09-26 Thread Mathieu Roy
Herbert Xu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a tapoté : > Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> Totally equivalent when we're discussing about closure messages sent > >> to -done. > > > > A message to -done means nothing to anyone except the bug submitter. The > > three seconds I spend writing a

Re: Horrific new levels of changelog abuse

2003-09-26 Thread Herbert Xu
Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Totally equivalent when we're discussing about closure messages sent >> to -done. > > A message to -done means nothing to anyone except the bug submitter. The > three seconds I spend writing a useful changelog entry make it useful to me, > the submit

Re: Horrific new levels of changelog abuse

2003-09-24 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 07:20:59AM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Both should record the change in the package which caused the bug to be > > closed. The change may be described at a high level (fixed the problem > > which caused ) or a low level (fixed

Re: Horrific new levels of changelog abuse

2003-09-24 Thread Herbert Xu
Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > - a user to be able to read the changelog, with an idea of the bug in >> > his head, and find where it was fixed. For example, a stable user >> > reading an unstable changelog to see if a bug affecting him is fixed >> >> This is not relevant I'm a

Re: Horrific new levels of changelog abuse

2003-09-24 Thread Nikolaus Rath
Bernd Eckenfels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 11:55:37AM +0100, Mark Brown wrote: >> Simply saying that the bug was fixed in the new upstream release doesn't >> tell the user why > > Why a bug wa gixed is obvious, because it was a bug. > > - XXX does nt delete temp file > -

Re: Horrific new levels of changelog abuse

2003-09-22 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 09:22:40PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > A reasonable explanation includes enough information for: > > > > - the submitter to recognize that their bug was in fact fixed > > Agreed. However I must say that this is pretty obvious

Re: Horrific new levels of changelog abuse

2003-09-22 Thread Herbert Xu
Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > - The bug submitter should receive a reasonable explanation for the bug's >> > closure in the -done message >> >> Well can you please give an operable definition of what a reasonable >> explanation is? > > A reasonable explanation includes enough

Re: Horrific new levels of changelog abuse

2003-09-21 Thread Kenneth Pronovici
> This seems like a lot of argument over avoiding putting six more words > into the changelog file giving information that the maintainer clearly > already has (since otherwise they wouldn't know that they could close the > bug), and which is obviously useful for users. Hear, hear. You can't te

Re: Horrific new levels of changelog abuse

2003-09-21 Thread Russ Allbery
Bernd Eckenfels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Why a bug wa gixed is obvious, because it was a bug. > - XXX does nt delete temp file > - Fixed in new upstream release > I mean, hell this is not hard to understand. That's great if I knew what the bug was. You seem to be assuming that the only pe

Re: Horrific new levels of changelog abuse

2003-09-21 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 11:55:37AM +0100, Mark Brown wrote: > Simply saying that the bug was fixed in the new upstream release doesn't > tell the user why Why a bug wa gixed is obvious, because it was a bug. - XXX does nt delete temp file - Fixed in new upstream release I mean, hell this is not

Re: Horrific new levels of changelog abuse

2003-09-21 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 02:56:35AM -0400, Glenn Maynard wrote: > On Sat, Sep 20, 2003 at 05:38:50PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: > > > As far as the BTS is concerned, it is irrelevant how a bug is fixed. > > > > Wrong. The BTS is a front-end to users. When bugs are closed, the > > submitter(a norma

Re: Horrific new levels of changelog abuse

2003-09-21 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 11:00:14AM +0200, Thomas Hood wrote: > On Sun, 2003-09-21 at 10:21, Herbert Xu wrote: > > The only disagreement is with what to do with upstream changes that > > happen to close Debian bugs. > > Is there any chance of everyone agreeing to leave it up to the > maintainer to

Re: Horrific new levels of changelog abuse

2003-09-21 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 04:18:10PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I think I do understand your position; I simply disagree. I feel that > > changes which close Debian bugs should be documented in debian/changelog > > whether or not they are Debian-spe