Re: Have NetworkManager disabled by default when... (was: Recommends for metapackages)

2012-07-18 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 18 iul 12, 21:32:31, Wookey wrote: > > > > One of the reasons I'm using network-manager instead of wicd or even > > plain ifupdown is the possibility to switch (more or less) seamlessly > > between wired and wifi. > > wicd does this just fine too. In the past I've had problems with wic

Re: Have NetworkManager disabled by default when... (was: Recommends for metapackages)

2012-07-18 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-07-18 21:32:31 +0100, Wookey wrote: > +++ Andrei POPESCU [2012-07-18 20:56 +0300]: > > One of the reasons I'm using network-manager instead of wicd or even > > plain ifupdown is the possibility to switch (more or less) seamlessly > > between wired and wifi. > > wicd does this just fine t

Re: Have NetworkManager disabled by default when... (was: Recommends for metapackages)

2012-07-18 Thread Wookey
+++ Andrei POPESCU [2012-07-18 20:56 +0300]: > On Mi, 18 iul 12, 15:01:43, Adam Borowski wrote: > > > > A different idea would be to have NM configured by default to do what it can > > do well (wifi) and stay away from all other interfaces, but because it has > > thorough assumptions that it contr

Re: Have NetworkManager disabled by default when... (was: Recommends for metapackages)

2012-07-18 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 18 iul 12, 15:01:43, Adam Borowski wrote: > > A different idea would be to have NM configured by default to do what it can > do well (wifi) and stay away from all other interfaces, but because it has > thorough assumptions that it controls all of networking in the system, this > is not a ch

Re: Have NetworkManager disabled by default when... (was: Recommends for metapackages)

2012-07-18 Thread Jon Dowland
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 03:31:37PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > Still, the check would be useful on laptops where wicd is installed > and enabled (the user could have a default ifupdown config and wicd > enabled). What happens if neither wicd nor network-manager are installed, and then both are

Re: Have NetworkManager disabled by default when... (was: Recommends for metapackages)

2012-07-18 Thread Philipp Kern
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 03:01:43PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > wicd is used only on machines that use wifi, this excludes most desktops. wicd can also be used to "manage" different Ethernet configurations. Kind regards Philipp Kern signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Have NetworkManager disabled by default when... (was: Recommends for metapackages)

2012-07-18 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-07-18 15:01:43 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 02:18:12PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > Sorry for being late in the discussion. I also think that having > > NetworkManager disabled for those who do not want to use it is > > a good solution. But I think that if othe

Re: Have NetworkManager disabled by default when... (was: Recommends for metapackages)

2012-07-18 Thread Adam Borowski
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 02:18:12PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2012-07-14 22:59:35 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > > Due to those drawbacks, I've wondered why people don't just disable > > NetworkManager on their system instead of bothering with workarounds > > like the above or dpkg -P --fo

Have NetworkManager disabled by default when... (was: Recommends for metapackages)

2012-07-18 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-07-14 22:59:35 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > Due to those drawbacks, I've wondered why people don't just disable > NetworkManager on their system instead of bothering with workarounds > like the above or dpkg -P --force-depends and similar. Sorry for being late in the discussion. I also