On 29/02/08 at 23:29 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 01, 2008 at 01:55:49AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
>
> > Note that the whole "did last year projects were successful?" issue is
> > secondary. Even if all of last years projects produced fabulous results
> > that totally changed the
On Sat, Mar 01, 2008 at 01:55:49AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> Note that the whole "did last year projects were successful?" issue is
> secondary. Even if all of last years projects produced fabulous results
> that totally changed the way Debian is developed, I'm still not sure if
> we should u
On 2/29/08, Lucas Nussbaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Do you have any proof that GSOC students worked 35-40 hours a week on
> their GSOC projects? You probably don't. So again, no real data to back
> either claim. We have different opinions, and have to live with it.
I don't think there's anyt
On 29/02/08 at 19:55 +, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> Lucas wrote:
> >On 28/02/08 at 01:09 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> >>
> >> Yes, subjective to the point of absurdity. If failure is defined in terms
> >> of *your* expectations, I don't see how we can even have a meaningful
> >> dialogue about
* Lucas Nussbaum:
> I have had a problem with the way GSOC was handled in Debian in the past
> years.
Me too, but I've seen exactly the opposite: someone was funded who
wasn't really active in the area of the project where he worked on, and
didn't use existing interfaces etc. to implement his pro
Lucas wrote:
>On 28/02/08 at 01:09 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
>>
>> Yes, subjective to the point of absurdity. If failure is defined in terms
>> of *your* expectations, I don't see how we can even have a meaningful
>> dialogue about it.
>
>Note that my main point in the thread is "we should use
On 28/02/2008, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> Who said I didn't? But maybe it was in private IRC
> discussions/mails. And maybe I didn't talk to all of them about that
> neither, so I'm biaised.
Because you said that your previous claims were based on your personal
impressions rather than anything else?
On 28/02/08 at 11:36 +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
> On 28/02/2008, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> > 2) | * Inspire young developers to begin participating in open
> >| source development;
>
> > 3) | * Help open source projects identify and bring in new
> >| developers and committers;
>
> >
On 28/02/2008, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> 2) | * Inspire young developers to begin participating in open
>| source development;
> 3) | * Help open source projects identify and bring in new
>| developers and committers;
> 5) | * Give students more exposure to real-world software
>|
On 28/02/08 at 10:54 +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
> BTW, it might be relevant to check GSOC's FAQ to see what it is about.
>
> ,
> | Google Summer of Code has several goals:
> |
> | * Get more open source code created and released for the benefit of
> | all;
> | * Inspire young developers t
On 28/02/2008, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> > Nice claims. Pointers?
>
> I agree that this is mainly based on personal perception (but that's
> not really my fault: no final report about what students did (in
> detail) are available).
OK. So you lack info, thus assume people failed. Nice. Steve already
On 28/02/08 at 01:09 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 09:17:56AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
>
> > > I really can't figure out what you're saying, here. AFAICS, we had
> > > significantly *better* results when choosing GSoC projects submitted by
> > > existing Debian contri
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 09:17:56AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> > I really can't figure out what you're saying, here. AFAICS, we had
> > significantly *better* results when choosing GSoC projects submitted by
> > existing Debian contributors. Where are these failures you're talking
> > about?
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 01:53:17PM +, Jon Dowland wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 09:42:17AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum
> wrote:
> > (1) Forbid DDs and people in the NM process waiting for
> > FD/DAM to apply as students.
> What if we do this, and still do not get many new people
> applying? How ab
On 27/02/08 at 22:00 +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
> On 27/02/2008, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> > Many of the students that were selected were already well-known
> > Debian contributors or developers. The first problem with that is
> > that some of those students used their GSOC time to work on their
>
On 27/02/08 at 11:26 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 06:52:56PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> > On 27/02/08 at 11:33 +0100, Francesco P. Lovergine wrote:
> > > I'm not completely persuaded this is correct. Someone should explain
> > > why an existing contributor does not con
On 27/02/08 at 18:51 +0100, Ondrej Certik wrote:
> Absolutely, I agree it is not black and white. But this is the
> responsibility of the mentor. He needs to be the one, who makes this
> decision and he needs to stand behind this decision.
I don't know if that's allowed by GSOC, but taking the fin
On 27/02/2008, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> Many of the students that were selected were already well-known
> Debian contributors or developers. The first problem with that is
> that some of those students used their GSOC time to work on their
> usual Debian tasks instead of their GSOC project, leading
> Er, by what metric have these students "failed" their projects?
>
> The summer has finished, and it's about time I summarised how we got
> on. We had 9 Summer of Code students working for us, and we had a 100%
> success rate this year. Woo! Last year we only managed 6 successful
> projec
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 06:52:56PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> On 27/02/08 at 11:33 +0100, Francesco P. Lovergine wrote:
> > I'm not completely persuaded this is correct. Someone should explain
> > why an existing contributor does not concentrate his/her efforts on
> > the choosen project instea
> > I would regard
> > GSoC as a reasonable means to stress the tasks we would really
> > like to have done and encourage people to tackle them.
>
> I consider that the main goal of GSOC is a social one: let new people
> learn about free software projects. If we start to depend on Google
> fu
* Lucas Nussbaum ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [080227 08:41]:
> On 27/02/08 at 00:42 +, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> > Hey folks,
> >
> > Google are running their Summer of Code programme again this year[1],
> > and if we want to take part again we need to apply between March 3rd
> > and March 12th. If we'r
On Wednesday 27 February 2008 18:52, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> However, we cannot blame the managers/mentors here: it's difficult
> enough to manage people working remotely, possibly in a different
> timezone, and for free (students are paid for their time, not their
> mentors).
This is also a matte
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:11 PM, Lucas Nussbaum
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 27/02/08 at 16:33 +0100, Ondrej Certik wrote:
> > If some projects in the past were a failure, it is solely the problem
> > of the management (=student's mentor:), it doesn't matter if the
> > student was or wasn't a
On 27/02/08 at 14:04 +0100, Andreas Tille wrote:
> I partly agree here. For instance it might be hard to find out a
> reasonable task that fits the skills and interests of the student
> out of the pure description if he is not involved in Debian before.
Then fix the task or its description? I'm s
On 27/02/08 at 11:33 +0100, Francesco P. Lovergine wrote:
> I'm not completely persuaded this is correct. Someone should explain
> why an existing contributor does not concentrate his/her efforts on
> the choosen project instead of wasting time in other tasks
Because all DDs are human, tend to hav
On 27/02/08 at 16:33 +0100, Ondrej Certik wrote:
> If some projects in the past were a failure, it is solely the problem
> of the management (=student's mentor:), it doesn't matter if the
> student was or wasn't a DD. If the student is working on something
> else (doesn't matter it is also related
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 09:42:17AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> On 27/02/08 at 00:42 +, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> > Hey folks,
> >
> > Google are running their Summer of Code programme again this year[1],
> > and if we want to take part again we need to apply between March 3rd
> > and March 12
Hi Patrick,
* Patrick Winnertz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-02-27 12:14]:
> > > > > (1) Forbid DDs and people in the NM process waiting for FD/DAM to
> > > > > apply as students.
> > > >
> > > > I'm not sure we will be able to reach a consensus on this, but my
> > > > vote would be for this point.
> >
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Lucas Nussbaum
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 27/02/08 at 00:42 +, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> > Hey folks,
> >
> > Google are running their Summer of Code programme again this year[1],
> > and if we want to take part again we need to apply between March 3rd
>
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 09:42:17AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum
wrote:
> (1) Forbid DDs and people in the NM process waiting for
> FD/DAM to apply as students.
What if we do this, and still do not get many new people
applying? How about a policy of prioritising
non-DD/NM/DM/whatever contributions, rather
On Wed, 27 Feb 2008, Francesco P. Lovergine wrote:
I'm not sure we will be able to reach a consensus on this, but my vote
would be for this point.
I'm not completely persuaded this is correct. Someone should explain
why an existing contributor does not concentrate his/her efforts on
the choose
Hey,
> > > > (1) Forbid DDs and people in the NM process waiting for FD/DAM to
> > > > apply as students.
> > >
> > > I'm not sure we will be able to reach a consensus on this, but my
> > > vote would be for this point.
>
> I'm not completely persuaded this is correct. Someone should explain
> why
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 09:55:23AM +0100, Patrick Winnertz wrote:
>
> > > (1) Forbid DDs and people in the NM process waiting for FD/DAM to
> > > apply as students.
> >
> > I'm not sure we will be able to reach a consensus on this, but my vote
> > would be for this point.
I'm not completely persu
> > (1) Forbid DDs and people in the NM process waiting for FD/DAM to
> > apply as students.
>
> I'm not sure we will be able to reach a consensus on this, but my vote
> would be for this point.
Seconded. :)
Greetings
Winnie
>
> Cheers.
--
.''`. Patrick Winnertz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
: :'
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 09:42:17AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> I have had a problem with the way GSOC was handled in Debian in the past
> years.
>
> Many of the students that were selected were already well-known Debian
> contributors or developers. The first problem with that is that some of
On 27/02/08 at 00:42 +, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> Hey folks,
>
> Google are running their Summer of Code programme again this year[1],
> and if we want to take part again we need to apply between March 3rd
> and March 12th. If we're accepted as a mentoring organisation, then
> students will be a
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