Re: GNU within the name

2003-12-18 Thread Mathieu Roy
Gunnar Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Julian Mehnle dijo [Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 12:56:15PM +0100]: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> > If we ever get a replacement libc that would really work as >> > replacement... on such system GNU claims would become much weaker. Not >> > that there was a seriou

Re: GNU within the name

2003-12-18 Thread Mathieu Roy
Erik Steffl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Mathieu Roy wrote: > ... >> When I'm told that a system is running GNU/whatever, I expect first to >> find there GNU coreutils, GNU bash, GNU Emacs, GNU Compiler >> Collection, gzip, GNU awk,GNU make, the GNU Debugger, GNU sysutils, >> GNU tar, GNUpg, GNU gr

Re: GNU within the name

2003-12-18 Thread Erik Steffl
Mathieu Roy wrote: ... When I'm told that a system is running GNU/whatever, I expect first to find there GNU coreutils, GNU bash, GNU Emacs, GNU Compiler Collection, gzip, GNU awk,GNU make, the GNU Debugger, GNU sysutils, GNU tar, GNUpg, GNU grep, GNU mailutils, GNU ncurses, GNU readline, GNU shell

Re: GNU within the name (Was: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s))

2003-12-18 Thread Joel Baker
On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 12:06:56PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 12:56:15PM +0100, Julian Mehnle wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > If we ever get a replacement libc that would really work as > > > replacement... on such system GNU claims would become much weaker.

Re: GNU within the name (Was: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s))

2003-12-18 Thread Raul Miller
On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 10:41:46AM +0100, Mathieu Roy wrote: > You are currently saying that the GNU in GNU/Linux is justified by the > glibc and not by any other GNU software, because these GNU software > are common on other unixes. Maybe what he was saying, but that's obviously not the real issu

Re: GNU within the name (Was: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s))

2003-12-18 Thread viro
On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 02:26:27PM +0200, Momchil Velikov wrote: > > "Mathieu" == Mathieu Roy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Mathieu> If we follow your theory, it means that if someday another > Mathieu> system use the glibc, we should remove the GNU from the > Mathieu> GNU/Linux name. Arr

Re: GNU within the name (Was: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s))

2003-12-18 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Julian Mehnle dijo [Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 12:56:15PM +0100]: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > If we ever get a replacement libc that would really work as > > replacement... on such system GNU claims would become much weaker. Not > > that there was a serious chance of that happening - drop-in replacem

Re: GNU within the name (Was: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s))

2003-12-18 Thread Momchil Velikov
> "Mathieu" == Mathieu Roy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Mathieu> If we follow your theory, it means that if someday another Mathieu> system use the glibc, we should remove the GNU from the Mathieu> GNU/Linux name. FWIW, BeOS uses glibc. ~velco

Re: GNU within the name (Was: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s))

2003-12-18 Thread viro
On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 12:56:15PM +0100, Julian Mehnle wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > If we ever get a replacement libc that would really work as > > replacement... on such system GNU claims would become much weaker. Not > > that there was a serious chance of that happening - drop-in repla

Re: GNU within the name

2003-12-18 Thread viro
On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 12:15:37PM +0100, Mathieu Roy wrote: > > Why not? > > You said what I expected from you: you revealed that you disbelieve > that the system should be called GNU/Linux. Good to know in this kind > of discussion. I'm not a True Believer, if that's what you mean. > Why not

RE: GNU within the name (Was: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s))

2003-12-18 Thread Julian Mehnle
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > If we ever get a replacement libc that would really work as > replacement... on such system GNU claims would become much weaker. Not > that there was a serious chance of that happening - drop-in replacement > of glibc on Linux would be a lot of work and so far none of th

Re: GNU within the name

2003-12-18 Thread Mathieu Roy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 10:41:46AM +0100, Mathieu Roy wrote: >> You are currently saying that the GNU in GNU/Linux is justified by the >> glibc and not by any other GNU software, because these GNU software >> are common on other unixes. >> >> Why? If you are right that o

Re: GNU within the name (Was: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s))

2003-12-18 Thread viro
On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 10:41:46AM +0100, Mathieu Roy wrote: > You are currently saying that the GNU in GNU/Linux is justified by the > glibc and not by any other GNU software, because these GNU software > are common on other unixes. > > Why? If you are right that others unixes uses widely GNU sof

GNU within the name (Was: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s))

2003-12-18 Thread Mathieu Roy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 05:03:55AM +, Henning Makholm wrote: >> Scripsit Kevin Kreamer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > In the case of a NetBSD libc, you could use >> >> > Debian NBSD/NBSD >> >> > basically having the first half signify which libc is used. >> >> Wouldn