Re: Future of update-rc.d in wheezy+1

2012-07-01 Thread Roger Leigh
On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 06:39:57PM +0200, Stephan Seitz wrote: > On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 10:52:23AM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: > >On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 10:44:53AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > >>The numbers specified for update-rc.d must be well ordered > >>according to the dependencies spe

Re: Future of update-rc.d in wheezy+1

2012-07-01 Thread Roger Leigh
On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 10:58:09PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: > On 27.06.2012 11:13, Roger Leigh wrote: > > > > I'd like to suggest that we do the following in sysv-rc update-rc.d: > > - wheezy: silently drop start|stop sequence numbers and runlevels > > (this is already the case when using ins

Re: Future of update-rc.d in wheezy+1

2012-07-01 Thread Michael Biebl
On 01.07.2012 22:58, Michael Biebl wrote: > On 27.06.2012 11:13, Roger Leigh wrote: >> - wheezy+2: remove support for the options and error out if used > > error out in dh_install or update-rc.d? ^ dh_installinit > It is seriously annoying making up random sequence

Re: Future of update-rc.d in wheezy+1

2012-07-01 Thread Michael Biebl
On 27.06.2012 11:13, Roger Leigh wrote: > > I'd like to suggest that we do the following in sysv-rc update-rc.d: > - wheezy: silently drop start|stop sequence numbers and runlevels > (this is already the case when using insserv, and we can remove the > non-insserv codepaths) > - wheezy+1: warn

Re: Future of update-rc.d in wheezy+1

2012-07-01 Thread Stephan Seitz
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 10:52:23AM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 10:44:53AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: The numbers specified for update-rc.d must be well ordered according to the dependencies specified in the LSB headers. That means that that update-rc.d could keep a

Re: [Pkg-sysvinit-devel] Future of update-rc.d in wheezy+1

2012-06-29 Thread Roger Leigh
tags 539591 + patch thanks On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 02:40:18PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: > On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 08:02:33AM +0200, Alexander Wirt wrote: > > On Wed, 27 Jun 2012, Roger Leigh wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 04:39:38PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > > > > On 06/27/2012 03:4

Re: [Pkg-sysvinit-devel] Future of update-rc.d in wheezy+1

2012-06-28 Thread Roger Leigh
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 08:02:33AM +0200, Alexander Wirt wrote: > On Wed, 27 Jun 2012, Roger Leigh wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 04:39:38PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > > > On 06/27/2012 03:46 PM, Alexander Wirt wrote: > > > > On Wed, 27 Jun 2012, Paul Wise wrote: > > > > > > > >> On Wed,

Re: Future of update-rc.d in wheezy+1

2012-06-28 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jun 28, Roger Leigh wrote: > While we could expend the time and effort to do this, I do have to > question why. What would be the point of this? No one is using > those numbers, so why retain them? Agreed. -- ciao, Marco signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Future of update-rc.d in wheezy+1

2012-06-28 Thread Roger Leigh
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 10:44:53AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Roger Leigh writes: > > > This means that the runlevels and sequence numbers passed as > > arguments to update-rc.d will never be used; they will just get > > silently discarded. The main problem as I see it is that these >

Re: Future of update-rc.d in wheezy+1

2012-06-28 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Roger Leigh writes: > Hi folks, > > I'd just like to briefly discuss potential plans for update-rc.d > in wheezy+1, and how this might impact on file-rc and sysv-rc. > > sysv-rc has defaulted to using LSB header dependencies and insserv > for a few years now. The last few releases require you to

Re: [Pkg-sysvinit-devel] Future of update-rc.d in wheezy+1

2012-06-27 Thread Alexander Wirt
On Wed, 27 Jun 2012, Roger Leigh wrote: > On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 04:39:38PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > > On 06/27/2012 03:46 PM, Alexander Wirt wrote: > > > On Wed, 27 Jun 2012, Paul Wise wrote: > > > > > >> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > > >> > > >>> Yes. See

Re: [Pkg-sysvinit-devel] Future of update-rc.d in wheezy+1

2012-06-27 Thread Roger Leigh
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 04:39:38PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > On 06/27/2012 03:46 PM, Alexander Wirt wrote: > > On Wed, 27 Jun 2012, Paul Wise wrote: > > > >> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > >> > >>> Yes. See http://bugs.debian.org/539591 >, > >>> http://bugs.debi

Re: [Pkg-sysvinit-devel] Future of update-rc.d in wheezy+1

2012-06-27 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
On 06/27/2012 03:46 PM, Alexander Wirt wrote: > On Wed, 27 Jun 2012, Paul Wise wrote: > >> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: >> >>> Yes. See http://bugs.debian.org/539591 >, >>> http://bugs.debian.org/573004 > and the source of insserv, where >>> a patch to do this was c

Re: [Pkg-sysvinit-devel] Future of update-rc.d in wheezy+1

2012-06-27 Thread Alexander Wirt
On Wed, 27 Jun 2012, Paul Wise wrote: > On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > > > Yes.  See http://bugs.debian.org/539591 >, > > http://bugs.debian.org/573004 > and the source of insserv, where > > a patch to do this was created and included by Kel.  The patch has > > been

Re: [Pkg-sysvinit-devel] Future of update-rc.d in wheezy+1

2012-06-27 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > Yes.  See http://bugs.debian.org/539591 >, > http://bugs.debian.org/573004 > and the source of insserv, where > a patch to do this was created and included by Kel.  The patch has > been available for more than two years. Hmm, no upload

Re: [Pkg-sysvinit-devel] Future of update-rc.d in wheezy+1

2012-06-27 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Roger Leigh] > Could [file-rc] use insserv to do the dependency graph and then just > consume the makefile-style dependency list? Yes. See http://bugs.debian.org/539591 >, http://bugs.debian.org/573004 > and the source of insserv, where a patch to do this was created and included by Kel. The pa

Future of update-rc.d in wheezy+1

2012-06-27 Thread Roger Leigh
Hi folks, I'd just like to briefly discuss potential plans for update-rc.d in wheezy+1, and how this might impact on file-rc and sysv-rc. sysv-rc has defaulted to using LSB header dependencies and insserv for a few years now. The last few releases require you to enable insserv to upgrade, and th