Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) writes:
>
>> On Aug 31, Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> Marco trolled again. FYI, no serious person disagrees with this
>>> interpretation.
>> Except every other distribution, which usually retain real lawyers
>> t
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) writes:
> On Aug 31, Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Marco trolled again. FYI, no serious person disagrees with this
>> interpretation.
> Except every other distribution, which usually retain real lawyers
> to advise them about potential problems
Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Joe Smith wrote:
>
>> "Sven Luther" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> 1. Module and firmware in free. (The firmware can be compiled into the
>> module, or can be loaded from a file.)
>>
>> 2. Module in free, firmware i
On Aug 31, Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Marco trolled again. FYI, no serious person disagrees with this
> interpretation.
Except every other distribution, which usually retain real lawyers
to advise them about potential problems like this instead of relying
on mailing lists posts
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...]
> On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 08:26:56PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
> > Should the ftpmasters, who have even less legal expertise,
>
> Judging by some of the nonsense that debian-legal is typically riddled with,
It's generally quite easy to spot the
On Thu, Aug 31, 2006 at 12:15:20AM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
> I'd love to see a legal opinion from the SPI lawyers regarding who would be
> liable if Debian did commit copyright infringment (or whatever) and someone
> sued.
FWIW, there's a few things I'd love to see legal opinions on too,
in
[Nathanael Nerode]
> So -- point me to the correct parts of the installer. I don't know
> where to find this "anna".
svn://svn.debian.org/d-i/trunk/packages/anna
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Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 08:26:56PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
>> Actually, letting an overworked team of four with (to my knowledge) zero
>> legal expertise settle questions of legal liability is pretty absurd too.
>
> They are the team responsible for vetting the le
On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 08:26:56PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 08:48:00PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
> >> Debian needs to make a decision on how it will deal with this legal
> >> minefield. That is higher priority than the entire discussion going on
> >> right
Toni Mueller wrote:
>
>
> Hello,
>
> On Wed, 30.08.2006 at 09:27:21 +0200, Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Aug 30, Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > Debian must decide whether it wants to ship BLOBs with licensing which
>> > technically does not permit redistributio
On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 08:18:28PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
> Sven Luther wrote:
>
> > Since the firmware blobs are not derivative works of the kernel, but
> > constitute mere agregation in the same binary format, the authors of other
> > pieces of GPLed code fo the linux kernel cannot even
Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 08:48:00PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
>
>> Debian needs to make a decision on how it will deal with this legal
>> minefield. That is higher priority than the entire discussion going on
>> right now, because it determines whether Debian will dis
Sven Luther wrote:
> Since the firmware blobs are not derivative works of the kernel, but
> constitute mere agregation in the same binary format, the authors of other
> pieces of GPLed code fo the linux kernel cannot even sue us for
> distributing the kernel code with those GPL-violating binary BL
Joe Smith wrote:
> "Sven Luther" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 09:27:21AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
>>> On Aug 30, Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Debian must decide whether it wants to ship BLOBs with licensing whic
"Sven Luther" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 09:27:21AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
On Aug 30, Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Debian must decide whether it wants to ship BLOBs with licensing which
> technically does not permit
On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 05:16:29PM +0200, Toni Mueller wrote:
>
>
> Hello,
>
> On Wed, 30.08.2006 at 09:27:21 +0200, Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Aug 30, Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Debian must decide whether it wants to ship BLOBs with licensing which
> >
Op wo, 30-08-2006 te 17:16 +0200, schreef Toni Mueller:
>
> Hello,
>
> On Wed, 30.08.2006 at 09:27:21 +0200, Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Aug 30, Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Debian must decide whether it wants to ship BLOBs with licensing which
> > > techni
Hello,
On Wed, 30.08.2006 at 09:27:21 +0200, Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Aug 30, Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Debian must decide whether it wants to ship BLOBs with licensing which
> > technically does not permit redistribution. At least 53 blobs have this
>
On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 09:00:27AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Aug 2006, Mike Hommey wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 07:17:47PM -0700, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL
> > PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 08:48:00PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
> > >
> > > > Debian needs
On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 09:27:21AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Aug 30, Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Debian must decide whether it wants to ship BLOBs with licensing which
> > technically does not permit redistribution. At least 53 blobs have this
> > problem. Many of the
On Aug 30, Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Debian must decide whether it wants to ship BLOBs with licensing which
> technically does not permit redistribution. At least 53 blobs have this
> problem. Many of them are licensed under the GPL, but without source code
> provided. Since
On Wed, 30 Aug 2006, Mike Hommey wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 07:17:47PM -0700, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 08:48:00PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
> >
> > > Debian needs to make a decision on how it will deal with this legal
> > > minefield. Tha
On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 07:17:47PM -0700, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 08:48:00PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
>
> > Debian needs to make a decision on how it will deal with this legal
> > minefield. That is higher priority than the entire discussion goin
On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 08:48:00PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
> Debian needs to make a decision on how it will deal with this legal
> minefield. That is higher priority than the entire discussion going on
> right now, because it determines whether Debian will distribute these 53
> BLOBs *at a
Ron Johnson wrote:
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> Luk Claes wrote:
>> -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>> 6c557439-9c21-4eec-ad6c-e6384fab56a8
>> [ 1 ] Choice 1: Release etch on time
>> [ 3 ] Choice 2: Do not ship sourceless firmware in
On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 01:23:48PM +0100, Chris Lamb wrote:
> I disagree, or I am not understanding the difference between the two.
> FSF/GNU devotees would much prefer to use a free BIOS[0] or EEPROM
> code if they had a choice imho.
Yes, and there is a choice, partly already working, partly in t
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Chris Lamb wrote:
>
> On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 05:37:23 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
>> [ x ] Choice 5: Ship *BLOBs* (does *not* mean closed-source
>> drivers like nvidia) that can be legally
>> redistributed, do not ship BLOBs
On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 05:37:23 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> [ x ] Choice 5: Ship *BLOBs* (does *not* mean closed-source
> drivers like nvidia) that can be legally
> redistributed, do not ship BLOBs that can
> not be legally redistributed.
>
> Yes, I k
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Luk Claes wrote:
> -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> 6c557439-9c21-4eec-ad6c-e6384fab56a8
> [ 1 ] Choice 1: Release etch on time
> [ 3 ] Choice 2: Do not ship sourceless firmware in main
> [ 2 ] Choice 3: Support
Hi,
-=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
6c557439-9c21-4eec-ad6c-e6384fab56a8
[ ] Choice 1: Release etch on time
[ 1 ] Choice 2: Do not ship sourceless firmware in main
[ ] Choice 3: Support hardware that requires sourceless firmware
[ ] Choice 4: None of th
-=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
6c557439-9c21-4eec-ad6c-e6384fab56a8
[ 1 ] Choice 1: Release etch on time
[ 3 ] Choice 2: Do not ship sourceless firmware in main
[ 2 ] Choice 3: Support hardware that requires sourceless firmware
[ ] Choice 4: None of the abo
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