Re: Every spam is sacred: tagging mails because of their content or their supposed origin?

2003-06-17 Thread Jesus Climent
On Mon, Jun 16, 2003 at 07:33:08PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > > Today I noticed those summaries were getting spamassassing scores in the > 30 range. I ended up whitelisting myself, though that doesn't feel like > a good idea -- now SA might mislearn spam subjects as ham, and any > spammer who forge

Re: Every spam is sacred: tagging mails because of their content or their supposed origin?

2003-06-16 Thread Colin Walters
On Mon, 2003-06-16 at 19:33, Joey Hess wrote: > Today I noticed those summaries were getting spamassassing scores in the > 30 range. I ended up whitelisting myself, though that doesn't feel like > a good idea -- now SA might mislearn spam subjects as ham, and any > spammer who forges mail from me

Re: Every spam is sacred: tagging mails because of their content or their supposed origin?

2003-06-16 Thread Joey Hess
Duncan Findlay wrote: > The only negative rules will be: bayesian rules, bondedsender and > habeas. Figuring how to autolearn ham (non-spam) is the only obstacle > we still need to figure out. This is fairly off topic, but the other day I tired of downloading all my spam to check it for false posi

Re: Every spam is sacred

2003-06-16 Thread Dan Jacobson
By the way some folks live in countries considered spam countries by other people, and they can't get a email in edgewise to the high class users. By the way how about my http://jidanni.org/comp/spam/spamdealer.html solution for the little guy, remote and without root. -- http://jidanni.org/ Taiw

Re: Every spam is sacred: tagging mails because of their content or their supposed origin?

2003-06-16 Thread Duncan Findlay
On Mon, Jun 16, 2003 at 04:43:53PM -0400, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Mon, 16 Jun 2003, Duncan Findlay wrote: > > The only negative rules will be: bayesian rules, bondedsender and > > habeas. Figuring how to autolearn ham (non-spam) is the only obstacle > > we still need to figure out. > > Sure soun

Re: Every spam is sacred

2003-06-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:18:49 +1000, Russell Coker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:06, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> > There is no excuse for this. Access to servers that are not in >> > spam lists is well available to Debian developers. I tunnel my >> > outgoing mail through a s

Re: Every spam is sacred

2003-06-16 Thread Keegan Quinn
On Friday 13 June 2003 05:13 pm, Don Armstrong wrote: > Oh, what the hell. This damn song won't get out of my head, so now you > all get to be subjected to it to[1]: FWIW, the original version of this song has also been in my head for weeks. Thanks for digging up the full text :) > 1: Misery lo

Re: Every spam is sacred: tagging mails because of their content or their supposed origin?

2003-06-16 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 16 Jun 2003, Duncan Findlay wrote: > The only negative rules will be: bayesian rules, bondedsender and > habeas. Figuring how to autolearn ham (non-spam) is the only obstacle > we still need to figure out. Sure sounds like throwing the baby out with the bathwater... but I presume you all a

Re: Every spam is sacred

2003-06-16 Thread John H. Robinson, IV
Mathieu Roy wrote: > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a tapoté : > > > > The 127th Ferengi rule of acquisition: Even if you got it for > > free, you paid too much. > > But the Rule 37th says otherwise: "If it's free, take it and worry > about hidden costs later". > > But the 96th confi

Re: Every spam is sacred: tagging mails because of their content or their supposed origin?

2003-06-16 Thread Duncan Findlay
On Mon, Jun 16, 2003 at 10:03:45AM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: > On Sun, Jun 15, 2003 at 11:19:10PM -0400, Duncan Findlay wrote: > > FWIW, the next version of spamassassin (2.60) will have no forgeable > > negatively scoring rules. (ETA early-mid July) > > Just out of curiosity, how will this be acc

Re: Every spam is sacred

2003-06-16 Thread Josip Rodin
On Mon, Jun 16, 2003 at 11:37:00AM +0200, Jesus Climent wrote: > > Given the ammount of spam that I get delived to my account via Debian > > machines, I guess the reduction in bandwidth usage by master and murphy > > is not to be taken lightly. > > The reduction happens in the output, Which is

Re: Every spam is sacred

2003-06-16 Thread Mathieu Roy
Russell Coker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a tapoté : > On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 19:37, Jesus Climent wrote: > > > account via Debian machines, I guess the reduction in bandwidth usage > > > by master and murphy is not to be taken lightly. > > > > The bandwidth reduction will only happen if you decide to disc

Re: Every spam is sacred

2003-06-16 Thread Russell Coker
On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 19:37, Jesus Climent wrote: > > account via Debian machines, I guess the reduction in bandwidth usage > > by master and murphy is not to be taken lightly. > > The bandwidth reduction will only happen if you decide to discard the mail, > since the mail will always be accepted,

Re: Every spam is sacred

2003-06-16 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
On Mon, Jun 16, 2003 at 11:37:00AM +0200, Jesus Climent wrote: > The bandwidth reduction will only happen if you decide to discard the > mail, since the mail will always be accepted, scanned to find the IP > which originated the message, the IP will be checked agains the > database and then th

Re: Every spam is sacred

2003-06-16 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
On Sun, Jun 15, 2003 at 02:17:23PM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote: > Read a previous message by Duncan Findlay. He said that 39.2668% of > all the spam might be blocked by using the DSBL, but doing that you > would block 0.0185% of ham. I just ran a quick test on my current email folders. At the

Re: Proposal for using SpamAssassin in master.d.o [Was: Re: Every spam is sacred]

2003-06-16 Thread Jesus Climent
On Sun, Jun 15, 2003 at 03:39:00PM +0200, Jesus Climent wrote: > Hi. [...] I might thing I spoke BS on my proposal, since I have not heard any comments... mooch -- Jesus Climent | Unix SysAdm | Helsinki, Finland | pumuki.hispalinux.es GPG: 1024D/86946D69 BB64 2339 1CAA 7064 E429 7E18 66FC 1D

Re: Every spam is sacred

2003-06-16 Thread Jesus Climent
On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 11:20:12PM +0200, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: > On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 02:18:57AM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote: > > > How can they say "no" to using some of them in /warn mode ... ? > > Santiago holds that more than half of the spam could be eventually > avoided. I'd ver

Re: Every spam is sacred

2003-06-16 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sun, Jun 15, 2003 at 10:11:22PM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > > Given that it's been pointed out that the MTA supports per-user bouncing > > of mail from open relays, and that it's very possible to use LDAP to > > provide easy management of per-user preferences, why is there any need > > to cont

Re: Every spam is sacred: tagging mails because of their content or their supposed origin?

2003-06-16 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sun, Jun 15, 2003 at 11:19:10PM -0400, Duncan Findlay wrote: > FWIW, the next version of spamassassin (2.60) will have no forgeable > negatively scoring rules. (ETA early-mid July) Just out of curiosity, how will this be accomplished? -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.

Re: Every spam is sacred

2003-06-16 Thread Blars Blarson
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >On Sun, Jun 15, 2003 at 11:45:17AM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: >If some number of Debian developers utilizing blocking that has a >false positive rate of as high as 2 per day by some estimates, do we >as a body consider it acceptable if som

Re: Every spam is sacred

2003-06-16 Thread Russell Coker
On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:06, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > There is no excuse for this. Access to servers that are not in spam > > lists is well available to Debian developers. I tunnel my outgoing > > mail through a server in Melbourne no matter where I am, this avoids > > all issues of spam blockin

Re: Every spam is sacred

2003-06-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 12:43:48 +1000, Russell Coker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 12:11, Theodore Ts'o wrote: >> false positive rate of as high as 2 per day by some estimates, do >> we as a body consider it acceptable if some percentage of Debian >> developers: >> >> 1) Don't rece

Re: Every spam is sacred: tagging mails because of their content or their supposed origin?

2003-06-15 Thread Duncan Findlay
On Sun, Jun 15, 2003 at 07:45:02PM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote: > Mathieu Roy wrote: > > But I definitely find spamassassin conceptually much better - because > > it really takes a mail for what it is. It cannot be trapped. > > Because if the DNSBL one day become a major problem to spammers, who > >

Re: Every spam is sacred

2003-06-15 Thread Russell Coker
On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 12:11, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > false positive rate of as high as 2 per day by some estimates, do we > as a body consider it acceptable if some percentage of Debian > developers: > > 1) Don't receive a mail message from a fellow Debian developer > because they unfortun