On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 09:15:24PM -0300, Carlos Laviola wrote:
> > No. This is directed at the people who would mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
> > mesages like "Go home proprietary l0s0rz! j00 are l4m3! Debian doesn't
> > need you! Signed, [EMAIL PROTECTED]"
>
> Well, it seems to me like you're impl
On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 09:55:57PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Carlos Laviola wrote:
> > IIS server because "we" were given money. I believe principles are more
> > important than money.
>
> So spend your time writing the scripts.
I will.
--
Carlos Laviola
I promised myself that I wouldn't get into this any more, but it seems
that people still aren't understanding...
On Wed, 2002-04-10 at 20:15, Carlos Laviola wrote:
> Well, it seems to me like you're implying there would be
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] that would be so lame that they would not know the
> di
On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Carlos Laviola wrote:
> IIS server because "we" were given money. I believe principles are more
> important than money.
So spend your time writing the scripts.
--
"One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring
them all and in the darkness grind th
On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 04:01:46PM -0500, Joe Drew wrote:
> On Sat, 2002-04-06 at 15:03, Martin Schulze wrote:
> > Joe Drew wrote:
> > > Let me re-iterate this for people who might not have gotten the message:
> > >
> > > LINDOWS.COM HAS SPENT REAL MONEY ON DEBCONF 2 AND DESERVES SUPPORT, NOT
> >
On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 06:30:29AM -0400, Joe Drew wrote:
> Two quotes come to mind:
[...]
You left out my favourite :)
"Nothing is impossible for the man who doesn't have to do it himself."
- A. H. Weller, according to the first google hit.
Richard Braakman
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On Mon, 2002-04-08 at 02:44, Martin Schulze wrote:
> Since I had to use grep to find it in the mail, it was well hidden
> and I don't consider this a proper call for help like done by other
> people who actively seek for help and receive them. Personally, I
> don't wonder why only two people volun
Jeroen Dekkers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Of course it's nice of them that they help, but I still think it's
> wrong that the registration page is hosted on a server with non-free
> software and with a link to a site trying to sell non-free
> products. Certainly because we can make the registra
Joe Drew wrote:
> On Sun, 2002-04-07 at 15:30, Martin Schulze wrote:
> > However, I still cannot find a request for help with setting up a
> > registration site/form on this list, neither including nor excluding
> > specs, searching from November 2001 until now.
>
> You were looking in the wrong s
On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 07:30:48PM -0500, Colin Walters wrote:
> It's also probably worth pointing out, as you seem to see yourself as
> "the Dutch RMS", that the Free Software Foundation also accepts
> donations from proprietary software companies:
>
> http://www.gnu.org/thankgnus/2002supporters
On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 01:53:07PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> IMHO the non-free section should be removed.
Well, go for it. In the meantime, stop antagonizing people who do nice
things for us.
--
Richard Braakman
"I sense a disturbance in the force"
"As though millions of voices cried out,
On Sun, 2002-04-07 at 15:30, Martin Schulze wrote:
> However, I still cannot find a request for help with setting up a
> registration site/form on this list, neither including nor excluding
> specs, searching from November 2001 until now.
You were looking in the wrong spot. Check Message-Id:
<[EMA
O Mar 03 Matt Zimmerman 19 +->
12 O Mar 04 Joe Drew27 +->
13 O Mar 05 Matt Zimmerman 20 | +->
14 O Mar 05 Martin Schulze 29 +->
15 O Apr 06 Martin Schulze 81 Re: Debian Conference 2 Registration
16 O Apr 06 Joe Drew55
Wilmer van der Gaast wrote:
> Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]@Sun, 7 Apr 2002 10:54:06 +0200:
> > You may not aware of the discussion we had last year, when VMware
> > offered to donate five (or another amount, not sure anymore) licenses
> > of their vmware product to Debian in order to help us develop
On Sun, 2002-04-07 at 04:54, Martin Schulze wrote:
> > To the best of my knowledge, no. But I didn't have time to learn how and
> > do it, and Lindows.com decided that they wanted to pay one of their
> > engineers to do it. It's quite simple: nobody else did it, so I took
> > Lindows.com up on thei
This one time, at band camp, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
>IMHO the non-free section should be removed.
IMHO you should write less email and fix more bugs.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://spacepants.org/jaq.gpg
Commander Taco
wastes our time with these dumb polls
but we keep r
On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 04:12:16AM +0300, Richard Braakman wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 03:03:14AM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> > We should not advertise directly or indirectly non-free software.
>
> Er, we _host_ non-free software on our servers, and distribute it via
> our mirror network.
Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]@Sun, 7 Apr 2002 10:54:06 +0200:
> You may not aware of the discussion we had last year, when VMware
> offered to donate five (or another amount, not sure anymore) licenses
> of their vmware product to Debian in order to help us develop
> boot-floppies.
>
Just wonderin
Colin Walters wrote:
> It's also probably worth pointing out, as you seem to see yourself as
> "the Dutch RMS", that the Free Software Foundation also accepts
> donations from proprietary software companies:
>
> http://www.gnu.org/thankgnus/2002supporters.html
This is a bogus argument. The Debi
Joe Drew wrote:
> On Sat, 2002-04-06 at 15:09, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> > > I don't *like* the registration page being hosted on IIS. But I prefer a
> > > registration page to no registration page at all.
> >
> > Is it that difficult to make a registration page with free software?
>
> To the best
On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 03:03:14AM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 07:30:48PM -0500, Colin Walters wrote:
> > On Sat, 2002-04-06 at 17:54, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> > > The thing I want say is: Debian is about free software, IMHO we should
> > > not have such a prominent spons
On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 02:51:23AM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 07:30:21PM -0500, Joe Drew wrote:
> > On Sat, 2002-04-06 at 18:59, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> > > The keyword here is "prominent".
> >
> > Yes, it is.
> >
> > > The
> > > Debian servers don't run non-free soft
Martin Schulze wrote:
> If I get this right, then registration for the Debian Conference,
> to a conference run by Free Software bigots, goes through heavily
> non-free and proprietary software that we are not even allowed to
> place in our non-free section outside of our distribution.
Received:
On Apr 07, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> It subverts my principles (and probably also others). The fact that
> the company itself is probably also going to distribute non-free
> software also subverts my principles.
>
> The thing I want say is: Debian is about free software, IMHO we should
> not have su
[ Please don't CC me, I read this list ]
On Sat, 2002-04-06 at 20:03, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> We should not advertise directly or indirectly non-free software. I
> don't say we should refuse their sponsership totally, but if they
> provide hosting on non-free software I think that is a valid reas
On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 03:03:14AM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> We should not advertise directly or indirectly non-free software.
Er, we _host_ non-free software on our servers, and distribute it via
our mirror network. If you want to go on a crusade, then there are
targets closer to home.
Ric
On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 07:30:48PM -0500, Colin Walters wrote:
> On Sat, 2002-04-06 at 17:54, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
>
> > The thing I want say is: Debian is about free software, IMHO we should
> > not have such a prominent sponser promoting non-free
> > software. Especially as we probably don't ne
On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 07:30:21PM -0500, Joe Drew wrote:
> On Sat, 2002-04-06 at 18:59, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> > The keyword here is "prominent".
>
> Yes, it is.
>
> > The
> > Debian servers don't run non-free software provided by HP and/OR
> > Sun. The debconf2 registration page is hosted on
On Sat, 2002-04-06 at 17:54, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> The thing I want say is: Debian is about free software, IMHO we should
> not have such a prominent sponser promoting non-free
> software. Especially as we probably don't need it.
Jeroen, please calm down. I admit that while the registration pa
On Sat, 2002-04-06 at 18:59, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> The keyword here is "prominent".
Yes, it is.
> The
> Debian servers don't run non-free software provided by HP and/OR
> Sun. The debconf2 registration page is hosted on a server with
> non-free software and has a link to a website with a non-f
On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 12:17:46AM +0100, Thom May wrote:
> * Jeroen Dekkers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote :
> >
> > It subverts my principles (and probably also others). The fact that
> > the company itself is probably also going to distribute non-free
> > software also subverts my principles.
> >
>
* Jeroen Dekkers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote :
>
> It subverts my principles (and probably also others). The fact that
> the company itself is probably also going to distribute non-free
> software also subverts my principles.
>
> The thing I want say is: Debian is about free software, IMHO we shoul
On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 12:54:32AM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> > Why should we refuse? Lindows.com came to us, not the other way around.
>
> Because it's a proprietary software company?
Hey, I heard that some of our machines got donated by
proprietary software/hardware companies! So lets cut o
On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 05:25:10PM -0500, Joe Drew wrote:
> On Sat, 2002-04-06 at 15:09, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> > > I don't *like* the registration page being hosted on IIS. But I prefer a
> > > registration page to no registration page at all.
> >
> > Is it that difficult to make a registration
On Sat, 2002-04-06 at 15:09, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> > I don't *like* the registration page being hosted on IIS. But I prefer a
> > registration page to no registration page at all.
>
> Is it that difficult to make a registration page with free software?
To the best of my knowledge, no. But I did
On Sat, 2002-04-06 at 15:03, Martin Schulze wrote:
> Joe Drew wrote:
> > Let me re-iterate this for people who might not have gotten the message:
> >
> > LINDOWS.COM HAS SPENT REAL MONEY ON DEBCONF 2 AND DESERVES SUPPORT, NOT
> > SCORN.
>
> While I don't want to squeze lindows support, I have to
On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 08:39:21PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
> I'm somewhat puzzled:
>
> Server: Microsoft-IIS/4.0
> Form submission goes to:
> Submit to http://net2.com/_vti_bin/shtml.dll/debconf2/index.html
>
> If I get this right, then registration for the Debian Conference,
> to a confere
Joe Drew wrote:
> Let me re-iterate this for people who might not have gotten the message:
>
> LINDOWS.COM HAS SPENT REAL MONEY ON DEBCONF 2 AND DESERVES SUPPORT, NOT
> SCORN.
While I don't want to squeze lindows support, I have to interpret
this statement like "Joey, shut up! Somebody has spent
Josip Rodin wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 08:39:21PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
> > Submit to http://net2.com/_vti_bin/shtml.dll/debconf2/index.html
> >
> > If I get this right, then registration for the Debian Conference,
> > to a conference run by Free Software bigots, goes through heavily
On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 02:02:08PM -0500, Joe Drew wrote:
> On Sat, 2002-04-06 at 13:39, Martin Schulze wrote:
> > Form submission goes to:
> > Submit to http://net2.com/_vti_bin/shtml.dll/debconf2/index.html
> >
> > If I get this right, then registration for the Debian Conference,
> > to a confer
On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 08:39:21PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
> Submit to http://net2.com/_vti_bin/shtml.dll/debconf2/index.html
>
> If I get this right, then registration for the Debian Conference,
> to a conference run by Free Software bigots, goes through heavily
> non-free and proprietary so
>
> It'd be a very, very bad idea for anybody to start doing or saying
> anything non-constructive to Lindows.com. They as a company, and every
> person I've dealt with through Lindows.com, employee or otherwise, have
> been nothing but corteous and helpful, and have helped make Debconf 2 a
> poss
On Sat, 2002-04-06 at 13:39, Martin Schulze wrote:
> Joe Drew wrote:
> > The 2nd Annual Debian Conference registration page is now available at
> > http://lindows.com/debconf2 . Thanks go to Lindows.com for hosting the
> > web page and all their gracious help.
>
> [...] queso reports
> a non-free o
Joe Drew wrote:
> The 2nd Annual Debian Conference registration page is now available at
> http://lindows.com/debconf2 . Thanks go to Lindows.com for hosting the
> web page and all their gracious help.
I'm somewhat puzzled:
luonnotar!joey(ttyp2):~> HEAD lindows.com
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