Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-09-02 Thread Yavor Doganov
Joe Smith wrote: > > OE does support threading for Email, it is simply disabled by > default. However overall the threading is more accuracte an reliable > for newsgroups. Until this MUA is released under a free license and ported to the GNU system so it can be packaged, this crucial detail is ou

Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-09-02 Thread Joe Smith
"Wouter Verhelst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 11:39:51AM +0900, Miles Bader wrote: "Joe Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > So I really wonder why mailing lists are so common. It sort of depends on what you're looking for. Some advanta

Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-08-15 Thread Miles Bader
Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> * E-mail generally has a "wider reach" -- it gets past corporate >> firewalls, (my company has never allowed external nntp connections), >> works even on strange systems, etc. > > Point. Then again, if your corporate sysadmins don't want you

Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-08-15 Thread Matthias Julius
Norbert Tretkowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > * Matthias Julius wrote: > [Mail vs. News] >> * A mailing list is easier to distribute with a slow >> server/connection. If a mail takes 3 minutes to show up in your >> mailbox it doesn't matter. If each news post takes 15 seconds to >> load i

Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-08-15 Thread Norbert Tretkowski
* Matthias Julius wrote: [Mail vs. News] > * A mailing list is easier to distribute with a slow > server/connection. If a mail takes 3 minutes to show up in your > mailbox it doesn't matter. If each news post takes 15 seconds to > load it gets annoying. Programs like slrnpull and leafnode wh

Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-08-15 Thread Mark Brown
On Tue, Aug 15, 2006 at 01:47:59PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 11:39:51AM +0900, Miles Bader wrote: > > * E-mail generally has a "wider reach" -- it gets past corporate > > firewalls, (my company has never allowed external nntp connections), > > works even on

Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-08-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 11:39:51AM +0900, Miles Bader wrote: > "Joe Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > So I really wonder why mailing lists are so common. > > It sort of depends on what you're looking for. > > Some advantages of mailing lists: > > * E-mail generally has a "wider reach" --

Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-08-14 Thread Matthias Julius
Miles Bader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > "Joe Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> So I really wonder why mailing lists are so common. > > It sort of depends on what you're looking for. > > Some advantages of mailing lists: > > * E-mail generally has a "wider reach" -- it gets past corporate >

Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-08-06 Thread Miles Bader
"Joe Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > So I really wonder why mailing lists are so common. It sort of depends on what you're looking for. Some advantages of mailing lists: * E-mail generally has a "wider reach" -- it gets past corporate firewalls, (my company has never allowed external

Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-08-05 Thread Joe Smith
"Ben Pfaff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Magnus Holmgren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: No problem at all. Especially with gmane.org around. I used to subscribe to dozens of mailing lists, but now I can just browse all of them as newsgroups. I agree, I use Gm

Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-08-04 Thread Ben Pfaff
Magnus Holmgren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Friday 04 August 2006 09:57, Wouter Verhelst took the opportunity to say: >> On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 08:21:28AM +0200, Magnus Holmgren wrote: >> > In short, it's a mess. Lots of improvements can be made, to MUAs, MLMs, >> > as well as MTAs. An RFC s

Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-08-04 Thread Russ Allbery
Loïc Minier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Fri, Aug 04, 2006, Josselin Mouette wrote: >> This would be absolutely horrible. Most list subscribers use the >> headers to put list email in separate directories, and this would make >> some mails miss from the discussion. > It's an end-user configu

Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-08-04 Thread Loïc Minier
On Fri, Aug 04, 2006, Josselin Mouette wrote: > This would be absolutely horrible. Most list subscribers use the headers > to put list email in separate directories, and this would make some > mails miss from the discussion. It's an end-user configurable feature of mailman, so you can turn it on

Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-08-04 Thread Magnus Holmgren
On Friday 04 August 2006 09:57, Wouter Verhelst took the opportunity to say: > On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 08:21:28AM +0200, Magnus Holmgren wrote: > > In short, it's a mess. Lots of improvements can be made, to MUAs, MLMs, > > as well as MTAs. An RFC straightening things out could help. > > ... Or we

Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-08-04 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 04 août 2006 à 09:45 -0400, James Vega a écrit : > This is something that should be solved on the list manager side by not > sending a duplicate of the email when it can see that an email was > already sent to an address it recognizes. In fact, some of the lists > I'm subscribed to do

Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-08-04 Thread James Vega
On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 03:04:05PM +1000, Ben Finney wrote: > Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > You know, I use a mail program. Replying to people is in my fingers > > as "hitting a button". A very specific button, especially for that > > purpose. I expect my MUA to Do The Right T

Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-08-04 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 03:04:05PM +1000, Ben Finney wrote: > Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > You know, I use a mail program. Replying to people is in my fingers > > as "hitting a button". A very specific button, especially for that > > purpose. I expect my MUA to Do The Right T

Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-08-04 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 08:21:28AM +0200, Magnus Holmgren wrote: > In short, it's a mess. Lots of improvements can be made, to MUAs, MLMs, as > well as MTAs. An RFC straightening things out could help. ... Or we could all just forget about mailinglists and start using newsgroups instead. They don

Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-08-03 Thread Magnus Holmgren
On Thursday 03 August 2006 23:37, John Goerzen took the opportunity to say: > The mailer is doing the right thing. Sending a CC isn't a "shout". > > The sender isn't. If the sender doesn't want CCs, it's fully within the > sender's power to specify that in the list headers. Most senders on > thi

Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-08-03 Thread Ben Finney
Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > You know, I use a mail program. Replying to people is in my fingers > as "hitting a button". A very specific button, especially for that > purpose. I expect my MUA to Do The Right Thing (TM). Most MUAs will do the right thing when you reply; they'll

Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-08-03 Thread Matthias Julius
John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I am on dozens of mailing lists. There are thousands of participants on > this list alone. I subscribe to, and leave, mailing lists all the time. > Why should a person with a personal preference expect me to shoulder the > burden of maintaining a mental

Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-08-03 Thread John Goerzen
On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 01:27:15AM +0300, George Danchev wrote: > On Friday 04 August 2006 00:37, John Goerzen wrote: > > > If your mailer makes you automatically go shouting on the push of a > > > button, it may be time to download the source and get some serious > > > hacking done. > > > > The ma

Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-08-03 Thread George Danchev
On Friday 04 August 2006 00:37, John Goerzen wrote: > On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 10:24:10PM +0200, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: > > > You know, I use a mail program. Replying to people is in my fingers as > > > "hitting a button". A very specific button, especially for that > > > purpose. I expect my MUA to

Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-08-03 Thread John Goerzen
On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 10:24:10PM +0200, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: > > You know, I use a mail program. Replying to people is in my fingers as > > "hitting a button". A very specific button, especially for that purpose. > > I expect my MUA to Do The Right Thing (TM). It usually does, except on > > the

Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-08-03 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 20:30 +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 10:20:26AM +0200, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: > > On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 15:34 -0500, John Goerzen wrote: > > > > > > > Ok, third time. Please do not do that: > > > > To: George Danchev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > CC: de

Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-08-03 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 10:20:26AM +0200, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: > On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 15:34 -0500, John Goerzen wrote: > > > > > Ok, third time. Please do not do that: > > > To: George Danchev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org > > > > Then SET YOUR HEADERS to reflect