Re: Bug#438665: Orphaned packages with quite some users

2007-11-02 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
On Thu, Nov 01, 2007 at 07:58:29AM +, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > On Thu, 01 Nov 2007, Bart Samwel wrote: > > Hmmm. I'd require a sponsor for that, as I'm not a DD. Raphael, would you > > mind sponsoring? > > Yeah, I can. And you could most probably quickly become "DM" for those > packages given

Re: Bug#438665: Orphaned packages with quite some users

2007-11-01 Thread Tim Dijkstra
On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 09:11:33 +0100 Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 01 Nov 2007, Michael Biebl wrote: > > Given that acpi-support is going to be deprecated in favor of > > pm-utils/hal [1] I'd rather see acpi-support removed from the > > laptop-task completely. > > [1] https://w

Re: Bug#438665: Orphaned packages with quite some users

2007-11-01 Thread Frans Pop
Bart Samwel wrote: > 2. What we may actually require is a detection system which triggers the > installation of packages at installation time, based on hardware > detection. You should contact Petter Reinholdtsen, who has been working on a new life for the package discover to do exactly that. He

Re: Bug#438665: Orphaned packages with quite some users

2007-11-01 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Bart Samwel] > 2. What we may actually require is a detection system which triggers > the installation of packages at installation time, based on hardware > detection. The discover package got the script discover-pkginstall which will do this. I've added mapping from hardware to packages for a

Re: Bug#438665: Orphaned packages with quite some users

2007-11-01 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Thu, Nov 01, 2007 at 03:54:44AM +0100, Bart Samwel wrote: > Luk Claes wrote: > >Bart Samwel wrote: > >>3. Regarding the toshset package: I have a working Toshiba Tecra 8200, > >>one of the models covered by toshset. I may be biased, but as far as I'm > >>concerned the stuff is still useful. :-)

Re: Bug#438665: Orphaned packages with quite some users

2007-11-01 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Thu, 01 Nov 2007, Michael Biebl wrote: > Given that acpi-support is going to be deprecated in favor of > pm-utils/hal [1] I'd rather see acpi-support removed from the > laptop-task completely. > [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PMUtilsSpec I'm all for this if this is possible. acpi-support has alway

Re: Bug#438665: Orphaned packages with quite some users

2007-10-31 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Thu, 01 Nov 2007, Bart Samwel wrote: > Luk Claes wrote: >> Bart Samwel wrote: >>> 3. Regarding the toshset package: I have a working Toshiba Tecra 8200, >>> one of the models covered by toshset. I may be biased, but as far as I'm >>> concerned the stuff is still useful. :-) >> Please do adopt th

Re: Bug#438665: Orphaned packages with quite some users

2007-10-31 Thread Joey Hess
Bart Samwel wrote: > I wouldn't mind having the packages installed in the laptop task if that > fixes it. However, the laptop task currently uses the task-fields method, > which AFAICT means that the dependent packages should list themselves as > being part of the laptop task, something that wil

Re: Bug#438665: Orphaned packages with quite some users

2007-10-31 Thread Michael Biebl
Bart Samwel schrieb: > Joey Hess wrote: >> Raphael Hertzog wrote: >>> The problem is not so much on manually installed package but on initial >>> installation. I'm not sure what would get installed via the laptop >>> task if >>> we made that a Recommends... >> >> d-i can't afford to install recomme

Re: Bug#438665: Orphaned packages with quite some users

2007-10-31 Thread Bart Samwel
Joey Hess wrote: Raphael Hertzog wrote: The problem is not so much on manually installed package but on initial installation. I'm not sure what would get installed via the laptop task if we made that a Recommends... d-i can't afford to install recommends by default (best way to change that is

Re: Bug#438665: Orphaned packages with quite some users

2007-10-31 Thread Bart Samwel
Luk Claes wrote: Bart Samwel wrote: 3. Regarding the toshset package: I have a working Toshiba Tecra 8200, one of the models covered by toshset. I may be biased, but as far as I'm concerned the stuff is still useful. :-) Please do adopt the toshutils and toshset packages so people don't need t

Re: Bug#438665: Orphaned packages with quite some users

2007-10-31 Thread Joey Hess
Josselin Mouette wrote: > You may be interested to learn that we plan to downgrade a number of > dependencies of the gnome metapackages to Recommends. > > If this means tracking them later on to be sure that everything needed > is installed, maybe we need a way to improve the coordination between

Re: Bug#438665: Orphaned packages with quite some users

2007-10-31 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mercredi 31 octobre 2007 à 18:05 -0400, Joey Hess a écrit : > d-i can't afford to install recommends by default (best way to change > that is to make all uses of recommends sane to be installed by default). > > So the laptop task would need to track and list the recommends. Doing > something sm

Re: Bug#438665: Orphaned packages with quite some users

2007-10-31 Thread Luk Claes
Bart Samwel wrote: > tag 438665 wontfix > merge 438665 445900 > thanks > > Clint Adams wrote: >> reopen 438665 >> quit >> >> On Wed, Oct 31, 2007 at 06:22:11PM +0100, Luk Claes wrote: >>> That sounds like the Dependens should be a Recommends, if so please file >>> a bug for it. >> >> It doesn't lo

Re: Bug#438665: Orphaned packages with quite some users

2007-10-31 Thread Joey Hess
Raphael Hertzog wrote: > The problem is not so much on manually installed package but on initial > installation. I'm not sure what would get installed via the laptop task if > we made that a Recommends... d-i can't afford to install recommends by default (best way to change that is to make all use

Re: Bug#438665: Orphaned packages with quite some users

2007-10-31 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 31 Oct 2007, Adeodato Simó wrote: > * Bart Samwel [Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:32:57 +0100]: > > Hello Bart. While I understand your reasoning, it may be now the time to > revisit it: > > > or Recommends which > > behaves exactly like Depends (like some package managers treat Recommends, > > bu

Re: Bug#438665: Orphaned packages with quite some users

2007-10-31 Thread Adeodato Simó
* Bart Samwel [Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:32:57 +0100]: Hello Bart. While I understand your reasoning, it may be now the time to revisit it: > or Recommends which > behaves exactly like Depends (like some package managers treat Recommends, > but not all), As announced in [1] and can be seen in [2], a

Re: Bug#438665: Orphaned packages with quite some users

2007-10-31 Thread Bart Samwel
tag 438665 wontfix merge 438665 445900 thanks Clint Adams wrote: reopen 438665 quit On Wed, Oct 31, 2007 at 06:22:11PM +0100, Luk Claes wrote: That sounds like the Dependens should be a Recommends, if so please file a bug for it. It doesn't look like #438665 was actually fixed. OK, then I