Re: Annoyances of aptitude (Was: Where are we now?) (Was: Bits from the RM)

2003-10-16 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 07:43:37PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > Eventually I found aptitude's "Dselect" theme, which helped some. > > I guess aptitude could be made the recommended default package manager, > but I would hope that: > 1. Something more closely approximating the Dselect theme i

Re: Annoyances of aptitude (Was: Where are we now?) (Was: Bits from the RM)

2003-10-09 Thread Enrico Zini
On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 10:59:15PM -0400, Daniel Burrows wrote: > (e) I've heard about a "debtags" database system that's trying to > find a general solution to the problem of categorizing packages. > I took a look at their library at one point and wasn't able to > figure out h

Re: Re: Annoyances of aptitude (Was: Where are we now?) (Was: Bits from the RM)

2003-10-09 Thread Erich Schubert
Daniel Burrows wrote: > (e) I've heard about a "debtags" database system that's trying to > find a general solution to the problem of categorizing packages. > I took a look at their library at one point and wasn't able to > figure out how to use it, but if this project is still going >

Re: Annoyances of aptitude

2003-10-06 Thread Kurt Bernhard Pruenner
Daniel Burrows wrote: > (h) ummm, I can't think of anything else right now. Listing the release (stable/testing/unstable or woody/sarge/sid) it comes from next to the versions of a package would be nice. Just my .02 EUR. -- Kurt Bernhard Pruenner Telefon: 0732/2468-7135 Techniker Gr

Re: Annoyances of aptitude (Was: Where are we now?) (Was: Bits from the RM)

2003-10-04 Thread Dylan Thurston
On 2003-10-03, Daniel Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I see. It's a lot simpler, from the point of view of maintainability, > to have a single user's manual for both offline and online perusal. > > One nice way to make this less of an issue would be to rewrite the > documentation in a str

Re: Annoyances of aptitude (Was: Where are we now?) (Was: Bits from the RM)

2003-10-04 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 02:07:00PM -0400, Daniel Burrows wrote: > > The way this garbage collection is implemented is one of the main > > dislikes I have about aptitude. Aptitude contains a database with > > packages that have been installed through aptitude; as such, it contains > > no information

Re: Annoyances of aptitude

2003-10-04 Thread Sebastian Kapfer
On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 21:40:06 +0200, MichaÅ Politowski wrote: [locating broken packages] > Usually I just press l~b Cool, thanks. I didn't know that trick. (The German translation of the "l" feature is misleading, no it's actually totally wrong... It never occurred to me that this keybinding could

Re: Annoyances of aptitude

2003-10-03 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 06:29:19PM -0400, Daniel Burrows wrote: > I think this has to do with the default display format not always being > upgraded. It should be "%c%a%M %p #%v%V". Thanks, indeed. It helped to delete ~root/.aptitude. Didnt know it stores something, there. Greetings Bernd --

Re: Annoyances of aptitude

2003-10-03 Thread Tom
On Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 10:59:09AM +1000, Brian May wrote: > On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 08:20:33PM +0200, Sebastian Kapfer wrote: > > A minor issue that plagues me as a Sid user is the "broken packages" > > display. When I install foo that breaks package bar by conflicts of > > dependencies of depende

Re: Annoyances of aptitude

2003-10-03 Thread Brian May
On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 08:20:33PM +0200, Sebastian Kapfer wrote: > A minor issue that plagues me as a Sid user is the "broken packages" > display. When I install foo that breaks package bar by conflicts of > dependencies of dependencies (you get the idea), aptitude tells me that > there are broken

Re: Annoyances of aptitude

2003-10-03 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 11:48:13PM +0200, Bernd Eckenfels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 02:52:02PM -0400, Daniel Burrows wrote: > > This is exactly what aptitude does (assuming "unwanted" means "will > > be removed when nothing depends on it") > > The strange t

Re: Annoyances of aptitude

2003-10-03 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 02:52:02PM -0400, Daniel Burrows wrote: > This is exactly what aptitude does (assuming "unwanted" means "will > be removed when nothing depends on it") The strange thing for me is, that aptitude sometimes displays the "A" letter and in some versions it does not. Have you

Re: Annoyances of aptitude

2003-10-03 Thread Michał Politowski
On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 20:20:33 +0200, Sebastian Kapfer wrote: [...] > A minor issue that plagues me as a Sid user is the "broken packages" > display. When I install foo that breaks package bar by conflicts of > dependencies of dependencies (you get the idea), aptitude tells me that > there are broken

Re: Annoyances of aptitude

2003-10-03 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 08:26:28PM +0200, Andreas Metzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > An alternative but safer way would be to record which packages were > installed with aptitude only to fulfill a dependency and mark them as > unwanted. This is exactly what aptitude does (assuming

Re: Annoyances of aptitude (Was: Where are we now?) (Was: Bits from the RM)

2003-10-03 Thread Sebastian Kapfer
On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 17:20:11 +0200, Steve Greenland wrote: > On 02-Oct-03, 21:59 (CDT), Daniel Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> It will never be off by default while I am a maintainer of the package, >> unless someone gets me to change my mind (which I don't think is >> likely; I already thou

Re: Annoyances of aptitude

2003-10-03 Thread Sebastian Kapfer
On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 05:20:10 +0200, Daniel Burrows wrote: > As I indicated in a recent message, I don't currently have time to > get aptitude working the way I'd like. Please consider this a public > call for a codeveloper -- you can "interview" by submitting working > patches for one of the is

Re: Annoyances of aptitude

2003-10-03 Thread Andreas Metzler
Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Op vr 03-10-2003, om 04:59 schreef Daniel Burrows: [...] >> In most cases, the garbage collection should operate without you >> needing to know about it. (the increasing prevalence of meta-packages >> is making this a bit tricky -- some explicit mark

Re: Annoyances of aptitude (Was: Where are we now?) (Was: Bits from the RM)

2003-10-03 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 09:53:33AM -0500, Steve Greenland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > On 02-Oct-03, 21:59 (CDT), Daniel Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The Users Manual starts with a section on the non-interactive interface. > > > Huh? > > > > I suppose the command-line in

Re: Annoyances of aptitude (Was: Where are we now?) (Was: Bits from the RM)

2003-10-03 Thread Steve Greenland
On 03-Oct-03, 10:49 (CDT), Craig Dickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Steve Greenland wrote: > > > You might consider including a default filter so that the only > > candidates for automatic removal begin with 'lib' and don't end with > > '-dev'. > > This seems rather silly. The whole point of t

Re: Annoyances of aptitude (Was: Where are we now?) (Was: Bits from the RM)

2003-10-03 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 06:34:29PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > Op vr 03-10-2003, om 04:59 schreef Daniel Burrows: > > In most cases, the garbage collection should operate without you > > needing to know about it. (the increasing prevalence of meta-packages > >

Re: Annoyances of aptitude (Was: Where are we now?) (Was: Bits from the RM)

2003-10-03 Thread Craig Dickson
Wouter Verhelst wrote: > The way this garbage collection is implemented is one of the main > dislikes I have about aptitude. Aptitude contains a database with > packages that have been installed through aptitude; as such, it contains > no information on packages that were installed through a diffe

Re: Annoyances of aptitude (Was: Where are we now?) (Was: Bits from the RM)

2003-10-03 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op vr 03-10-2003, om 04:59 schreef Daniel Burrows: > > Figuring out how to tell aptitude not to automatically delete "unused" > > packages > > required reading the User Manual while knowing that this was an issue. > > > > This is on by default, and the information about marking a package > > "man

Re: Annoyances of aptitude (Was: Where are we now?) (Was: Bits from the RM)

2003-10-03 Thread Craig Dickson
Steve Greenland wrote: > You might consider including a default filter so that the only > candidates for automatic removal begin with 'lib' and don't end with > '-dev'. This seems rather silly. The whole point of this feature is to distinguish those packages that you manually requested from those

Re: Annoyances of aptitude (Was: Where are we now?) (Was: Bits from the RM)

2003-10-03 Thread Steve Greenland
On 02-Oct-03, 21:59 (CDT), Daniel Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The Users Manual starts with a section on the non-interactive interface. > > Huh? > > I suppose the command-line interface could be documented later, but > it's usually documented earlier. Or are you objecting to the odd

Re: Annoyances of aptitude (Was: Where are we now?) (Was: Bits from the RM)

2003-10-02 Thread Daniel Burrows
As I indicated in a recent message, I don't currently have time to get aptitude working the way I'd like. Please consider this a public call for a codeveloper -- you can "interview" by submitting working patches for one of the issues below, particularly the ones I've outlined a fix for. (aptitu

Annoyances of aptitude (Was: Where are we now?) (Was: Bits from the RM)

2003-10-02 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Well, aptitude is certainly better than it used to be. At least now it's keystroke-compatible with dselect. I still find it less useful though. :-P -- Although aptitude uses only one fewer line of screen space for the list of packages, somehow it manages to have less information. The absence o