Re: [OT] Re: Open then gates

2010-05-17 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 09:40 -0400, micah anderson wrote: > RFC 5081 is still quite a while off from widespread adoption. When it is > more widely adopted, we will be in a much better situation, until then > the monkeysphere is operating as an interim translation step (keeping > the on-the-wire prot

Re: [OT] Re: Open then gates

2010-05-17 Thread micah anderson
On Mon, 17 May 2010 08:25:50 +, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: > On Mon, 17 May 2010 00:12:56 -0400, Micah Anderson > wrote: > > Can you clarify what you mean by "standardised technology"? I work on > > the monkeysphere project, and from my point of view, I'd have to > > disagree with you,

Re: [OT] Re: Open then gates

2010-05-17 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
On Mon, 17 May 2010 00:12:56 -0400, Micah Anderson wrote: > Can you clarify what you mean by "standardised technology"? I work on > the monkeysphere project, and from my point of view, I'd have to > disagree with you, but I may not understand what you mean. What I mean was simply something that is

Re: [OT] Re: Open then gates

2010-05-16 Thread Micah Anderson
Christoph Anton Mitterer writes: > On Sat, 2010-05-15 at 21:01 +0800, Paul Wise wrote: >> You might be interested in monkeysphere > ...and in RFC 5081 > I haven't had a detailed look on monkeyspehre so > far, but it seemed at a first glance, that it does not use > standardised technology, does

Re: [OT] Re: Open then gates

2010-05-16 Thread Micah Anderson
Christoph Anton Mitterer writes: > On Sat, 2010-05-15 at 21:01 +0800, Paul Wise wrote: >> You might be interested in monkeysphere > ...and in RFC 5081 > > I haven't had a detailed look on monkeyspehre so far, but it seemed at a > first glance, that it does not use standardised technology, does it

Re: [OT] Re: Open then gates

2010-05-15 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
On Sat, 2010-05-15 at 21:01 +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > You might be interested in monkeysphere ...and in RFC 5081 I haven't had a detailed look on monkeyspehre so far, but it seemed at a first glance, that it does not use standardised technology, does it? Cheers, Chris. smime.p7s Description: S/

Re: [OT] Re: Open then gates

2010-05-15 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Eray Aslan wrote: > Amen.   PKI is a naive design and for all intents and purposes will > remain a pipe-dream.  All security relationships that is worth anything > is bilateral and no trusted third party is willing to accept enough risk > to warrent full trust. >

[OT] Re: Open then gates

2010-05-15 Thread Eray Aslan
On 15.05.2010 08:24, Russ Allbery wrote: > Christoph Anton Mitterer writes: >> And personally, I really do _not_ trust some of the CAs which are >> included/enabled per default. > > Having done business with several of them, I don't trust any commercial > CA. This is a way more fundamental probl