Re: [Debconf-discuss] Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-29 Thread Mauro Parra
Hello, On 5/26/06, David Moreno Garza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You _usually_ don't get your passport stamped? Really? In recent flights?I have never entered Mexico back without the Immigration seal.Yeah, depends on the mood of the one attending you.  True! And even by plane! Which I found extreme

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-27 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Lionel Elie Mamane wrote: > On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 04:07:22PM +0200, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: > > > The obvious example is the UK, which insists on checking your > > passport if you come from the mainland. Passport or ID Card, that is. > The www.britishembassy.gov.uk website suggests EEA n

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-27 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 04:07:22PM +0200, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: > The obvious example is the UK, which insists on checking your > passport if you come from the mainland. The www.britishembassy.gov.uk website suggests EEA nationals need only an ID card. -- Lionel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, em

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-27 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
On Fri, May 26, 2006 at 12:33:54PM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > Within the Schengen area (European Union plus Norway, Vatican, > and... any others?), you travel between countries without even > waving your passport at anybody. Yes, but that's because the Schengen area is one area in this. You stil

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-27 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On 5/27/06, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Fri, May 26, 2006 at 12:33:54PM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > Within the Schengen area (European Union plus Norway, Vatican, > and... any others?), you travel between countries without even waving > your passport at anybody.

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-27 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Fri, May 26, 2006 at 12:33:54PM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > Within the Schengen area (European Union plus Norway, Vatican, > and... any others?), you travel between countries without even waving > your passport at anybody. That's not fully true. You have to show your passport to the *first* cou

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Paul Johnson
On Friday 26 May 2006 10:33, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > Some countries that have shaky relations with others usually agree to > stamp you an extra sheet, so that your passport does not show the fact > you were to that country. I have seen this both in Cuba and in > Israel. About the only way for an Ame

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Davide G. M. Salvetti
> MS == Manoj Srivastava [2006-5-26] MS> These are not poor keysigning techniques, unless you accept all ID MS> document verification techniques rely on a gentleman's agreement MS> about not presenting purchased ID's. I think gentlemen don't need ID's, since of course they do not lie when th

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Robert Collins
On Fri, 2006-05-26 at 15:45 -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I think the core issue here is if we deem presenting purchased > > identification at an event designed to extend the web of trust > > acceptable behaviour. > > I don't thin

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I think the core issue here is if we deem presenting purchased > identification at an event designed to extend the web of trust > acceptable behaviour. I don't think anyone has said that it's satisfactory. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EM

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread David Moreno Garza
Gunnar Wolf wrote: > Not always. > > In Mexico, upon reentry, my passport is sometimes stamped, but usually > not. You _usually_ don't get your passport stamped? Really? In recent flights? I have never entered Mexico back without the Immigration seal. > Within the Schengen area (European Union

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread David Moreno Garza
Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > I disagree with this; Debian has no need to know my birthdate or -place > and I don't see a reason to stuff that kind of information into a database. I agree with this. Although checking for date of birth while checking your GPG key is a very nice thing I learned from som

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Jimmy Kaplowitz
On Fri, May 26, 2006 at 01:47:15PM -0500, David Moreno Garza wrote: > That's illegal actually. It is quite often to get your passport sealed > while leaving your country but it is supposed to be mandatory to get the > seal in the country you are arriving, otherwise you could be thought > you are an

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Gunnar Wolf
David Moreno Garza dijo [Fri, May 26, 2006 at 01:47:15PM -0500]: > > As a side note, while my passport was valid (re-newed the day before > > leaving for Mexico because I forgot it was expired after 5 years and > > not 10), I didn't get any Mexican seal when I arrived at Mexico City > > airport. A

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread David Moreno Garza
Luca Capello wrote: > As a side note, while my passport was valid (re-newed the day before > leaving for Mexico because I forgot it was expired after 5 years and > not 10), I didn't get any Mexican seal when I arrived at Mexico City > airport. As 2 others DDs with me (Aurelien Jarno and Matthias K

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Fri, 26 May 2006, David Moreno Garza wrote: > That's illegal actually. It is quite often to get your passport sealed I have no idea about illegal (it might well be against some international treaty, however), but it is very dangerous for you not to have your passport stamped. There are very fe

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, I think the core issue here is if we deem presenting purchased identification at an event designed to extend the web of trust acceptable behaviour. I check photographs, name, age, and expiry dates on ID presented. I did not include document verification in that checklist,

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread David Moreno Garza
Gunnar Wolf wrote: > Maybe we should just drop holding KSPs, and fall back to the > traditional method of "Hey, nice dinner we had yesterday. Say, now > that you know me, my family and my history, would you like to sign my > key as well?" - Signing for people you actually know, not just linking > f

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Enrico Zini wrote: > On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 09:42:07AM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: [snip] > People write books in the name of someone else fairly often, actually. > > No, I'm not only thinking about the Bible :) > > There's professional book writers w

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Thu, 25 May 2006, Enrico Zini wrote: > This prompts me that we should probably be taking trusted notes of birth > dates and birth places, because it's hard to physically trace one person > down just given his or her name. At this point, it would be best to have all DDs actually enter into legal

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
Enrico Zini wrote: However, from the book you don't get the address of madduck's home, which is what you want when you have to go and drag him to jail if he willingly uploads some malicious code. None of my ID documents tell you my address either. Is there any reason why they should? This

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-26 Thread Luca Capello
Hello! /me playing the devil's advocate instead of Enrico... On Fri, 26 May 2006 08:32:43 +0200, David Moreno Garza wrote: > As an additional bit of security, I asked some people to show their > visa, issued by the Mexican government, or check the Mexican seal > they got on their point of entranc

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-25 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 25 May 2006, Gunnar Wolf said: > Manoj Srivastava dijo [Thu, May 25, 2006 at 02:36:37AM -0500]: >> Hi, >> >> It has come to my attention that Martin Kraff used an unofficial, >> and easily forge-able, identity device at a large key signing party >> recently. This was apparently to belabour the

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-25 Thread Enrico Zini
On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 09:42:07AM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > As for Madduck: I hold as a proof of his identity his book, which has > a photo of him, and I have since Debconf6. It's possible, but still > very hard, to go through all the work to write a book and put your > photo in it just to impe

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-25 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Manoj Srivastava dijo [Thu, May 25, 2006 at 02:36:37AM -0500]: > Hi, > > It has come to my attention that Martin Kraff used an > unofficial, and easily forge-able, identity device at a large key > signing party recently. This was apparently to belabour the obvious > point that large KS

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-25 Thread Adam McKenna
On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 11:46:11AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > But a number of people were taken in by this social > engineering crack and failed to ask for the real ID. How is it a 'crack' if the information on the ID was all accurate? --Adam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL P