Re: Bug#497304: general: packages cannot be partially installed

2008-09-26 Thread Steve Greenland
On 25-Sep-08, 08:34 (CDT), Michelle Konzack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Am 2008-09-22 16:43:51, schrieb Steve Greenland: > > apt-get install localepurge > > I was thinking on this too but it has an negative impact, since you have > to install the whole thing first...

Re: Bug#497304: general: packages cannot be partially installed

2008-09-22 Thread Steve Greenland
On 20-Sep-08, 19:28 (CDT), Hendrik Sattler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That's not what he said. If installation of language files (they can still be > in the program package) could be only done for the language(s) that the user > wants (many systems only will ever use one specific translatio

Re: Bug#497304: general: packages cannot be partially installed

2008-08-31 Thread Steve Greenland
On 31-Aug-08, 13:08 (CDT), Mark Hobley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Packages should not install cruft on the system. This means that a > package should not install a foreign language file, unless the system > has been explicitly configured to support that foreign language. Others have commented

Re: automatic bug filing by test robot

2008-08-29 Thread Steve Greenland
On 28-Aug-08, 02:19 (CDT), Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Also, how would you check that a bug has not already been filed > manually by another user? Why, the same way all the manual duplicate bug filers[1] check :-) Steve [1] yes, I've filed a few duplicates in my life, no need to

Re: Re: Re: Bug#493645: ITP: nostromo -- small, simple, fast andsecurehttpd

2008-08-27 Thread Steve Greenland
On 27-Aug-08, 16:06 (CDT), Franklin PIAT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 08:43:16AM +0200, Franklin PIAT wrote: > > > > > For those who needs to choose a (light) webserver, this page is meant to > > > gather pros and cons of each one : > > > http://wiki.debian.org/WebServe

Minor bobble in etch->lenny upgrade

2008-08-23 Thread Steve Greenland
Just upgraded an old etch box to lenny via aptitude, ran into the following minor problem: (Reading database ... 22081 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to replace mount 2.12r-19etch1 (using .../mount_2.13.1.1-1_i386.deb) ... You have NFS mount points currently mounted, and t

Re: Standard way to disable services

2008-07-29 Thread Steve Greenland
On 28-Jul-08, 20:58 (CDT), Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, policy-rc.d is obeyed by invoke-rc.d, and therefore, by all maintainer > scripts. > > But manually trying to run the initscript will still work. Which is a *good* thing, which is why I detest the growing h

Re: unifont - consensus on dependencies

2008-06-22 Thread Steve Greenland
On 22-Jun-08, 12:02 (CDT), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The updated package will have some new dependencies, and the Debian > Policy Manual says that any package dependencies should be agreed upon > by consensus on the debian-devel list before uploading .deb files. No, it says that any "Pre-Depend

Re: Bug#486127: ITP: sock -- make a customized traffic over network

2008-06-13 Thread Steve Greenland
On 13-Jun-08, 10:05 (CDT), Joao Eriberto Mota Filho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Package name: sock > Version : 0.3 > Upstream Author : Willian Richard Stevens, Mike Borella and Christian > Kreibich. > * URL : http://www.icir.org/christian/sock.html > * License

Re: Non-related 'Recommends' dependencies - bug or not?

2008-06-12 Thread Steve Greenland
On 12-Jun-08, 13:57 (CDT), "Eugene V. Lyubimkin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bug was closed by maintainer with note "it is not a bug". Is he right? Banshee's maintainer isn't (and can't) be responsible for other packages recommends. It looks like the bug is in libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-0 wh

Re: "cupsys" renamed to "cups", please adjust your (build-)depends

2008-06-12 Thread Steve Greenland
On 12-Jun-08, 11:23 (CDT), "Bernhard R. Link" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How about using this transition to move some binaries between package > boundaries? Especially having some programs with generic names in -client and > some in -bsd seem to be a problem for some users (like #405827). > > I

Re: Bug#485553: ITP: charybdis -- fast, scalable irc server

2008-06-10 Thread Steve Greenland
On 10-Jun-08, 06:38 (CDT), William Pitcock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > - openvpn (may or may not have exception, more checking needed) The copyright file has the necessary exceptions. Steve -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAI

Re: [pkg-lighttpd] Bug#383425: lighttpd: Distinguish installation from activation

2008-06-04 Thread Steve Greenland
"install complete, initial startup failed". Trying to detect all the possible reasons this might be is not a job for the postinst. But failing the install just because the daemon won't start *at this particular moment* is not helpful. All IMHO, of course. Steve -- Steve Greenlan

Re: Handling of removed packages

2008-05-29 Thread Steve Greenland
bsolete and locally built packages in a separate category. Parsing error, I think. Aptitude shows a group of "obsolete and locally created packages". However, it doesn't distinguish between them, as far as I can tell, which is what Marc (and I) would like. Steve -- Steve Greenland

Re: Packages in section python/perl simply because implemented in python/perl

2008-05-24 Thread Steve Greenland
> (NOTE: Am I the only one who thinks descriptions, especially short > descriptions as in phenny, usually shouldn't tell what language was > used to implement the program? It's just not relevant to the user.) I mostly agree with this. The exception would be development tools and libraries, where t

Re: FYI: VCS choice these days

2008-05-21 Thread Steve Greenland
d bzr installed, because at one point or another I've need to grab source from a repository that used that particular tool. Currently I only *use* mercurial. Steve [1] Used to track changes to config files until mercurial came along. -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claim

Re: RFS: figtoipe / difficulties with Replaces:

2008-05-18 Thread Steve Greenland
ackage to another. It would be nifty if you could explicitly list the files being Replaced, to avoid accidents, but I suspect there are more important things to be done. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds

Re: RFS: figtoipe

2008-05-17 Thread Steve Greenland
me. Package B "Replaces" *and* "Conflicts" with package A: when B is installed, any files that are also in A will be taken over by B, as in the "Replaces" only case. In *addition*, any remaining files in A will be *removed*, and package A will be considered removed fr

Re: SSH keys: DSA vs RSA (was: Alioth and SSH: restored)

2008-05-14 Thread Steve Greenland
e you asserting something stronger? Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. -- seen on the net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject

Re: separate package for iotop?

2008-04-20 Thread Steve Greenland
hts? > > > > Perhaps along with top in procps? > > The python dependency should not be introduced - so if we dont have a python > based system management package, it might be good to start one. But it could be a Suggests, since it's only one of several utilities in the

Re: Debian Configuration Packaging System

2008-04-12 Thread Steve Greenland
rades? (I've looked through the various install and config scripts, but not closely enough to figure out why...) Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. -

Bug#473828: hosts: Unreasonable impact of misconfigured /etc/hosts file

2008-04-01 Thread Steve Greenland
a timeout of some sort, but eventually it still printed error, and worked. (All still with no resolv.conf or hostname file, and hosts with no IPv4 info.) Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying t

Bug#473828: hosts: Unreasonable impact of misconfigured /etc/hosts file

2008-04-01 Thread Steve Greenland
udo -s sudo: unable to resolve host orca [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# But it still works. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. -- seen on the net -- To UNSUBS

Re: triggers wishlist

2008-03-31 Thread Steve Greenland
approximate priority order: The various emacsen-related packages seem to cause multiple re-compiles during a single install run. It's not terribly slow, but it's sort of annoying. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating syst

Re: Service stopping in prerm considered harmful

2008-03-23 Thread Steve Greenland
#x27;ve had bug reports closed with *exactly* that argument (although it's been years). The contention is that since the init script didn't take the action, it's an error. So perhaps more specifity is required. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be makin

Re: dpkg with triggers support (again)

2008-03-12 Thread Steve Greenland
than those who assumed "sizeof(long) == 4", or that pointers and ints were interchangeable. After all, it worked on their platform, so why be correct? Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims

Re: dpkg semi-hijack - an announcement (also, triggers)

2008-03-09 Thread Steve Greenland
, The problem is not the dpkg team has reviewed the patch and had problems with it, it's that they've ignored it for 6 months. I don't approve of IanJ's hijack attempt, but in this he's got a legitimate complaint. So do the rest of us who've been waiting for triggers fo

Re: Many packaged programs that are doing the same thing

2008-03-07 Thread Steve Greenland
ackages available is unnecessary for this purpose. OTOH, I think it would be completely reasonable for the security team to object. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the

Re: Looking for co-maintainer for mercurial

2008-02-25 Thread Steve Greenland
On 24-Feb-08, 10:30 (CST), Vincent Danjean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > mercurial in now imported in the PAPT repo: > Vcs-Svn: svn://svn.debian.org/python-apps/packages/mercurial/trunk Oh, the irony. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be mak

Re: Bug#463973: ITP: deejayd -- A media player daemon

2008-02-05 Thread Steve Greenland
think this is different enough from mpd to be worth including. I'll probably switch when it's packaged. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world.

Re: Bug#461104: RFP: label -- Set or change label to partition disk

2008-01-17 Thread Steve Greenland
It's > somewhat difficult to tell, since there is no long description. > Consider this a request for one. Looking at the website, it appears to be the former. It looks like a wrapper that determines whether the FS in question is ext[23] or msdos, and make the appropriate utility cal

Re: Bug#461104: RFP: label -- Set or change label to partition disk

2008-01-17 Thread Steve Greenland
ption: [Set or change label to partition disk] I realize this is just an RFP, but the proposed package name is way too generic. Something like 'partlabel' or 'disklabel' would be better. It also seems a rather trivial script for its own package... Steve -- Steve Greenland

Re: Bug#460672: RFP: pymills -- James Mills Python Library

2008-01-14 Thread Steve Greenland
special purpose libraries and modules for the Python > programming language. English sentences begin with capital letters. Yes, even when the word is not normally capitalized. Regards, Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system

Re: Faster shutdown and the ubuntu "multiuser" update-rc.d extention

2008-01-04 Thread Steve Greenland
running from UPS's capable of initiating a shutdown several minutes before power runs out. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. -- seen on the net

Re: Bug#457473: ITP: extended_threading -- Extension of the python threading api

2007-12-22 Thread Steve Greenland
ce (subclassing) of locks > - debugging utility > - timeouts with locks > - locks with both exclusive and non-exclusive characteristics > - read/write mode lock (write locks are exclusive, read locks are not) > - "safe" object based locks to help debug lock code. Excellent

Re: Bug#457473: ITP: extended_threading -- Extension of the python threading api

2007-12-22 Thread Steve Greenland
e posting the ITP? You're going to have to do it eventually, why not now? Is there some sort of fierce competition in ITPs that I'm unaware of? Regards, Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds c

Re: Syslog file paths in 'metalog'? (#423299)

2007-12-06 Thread Steve Greenland
analyzers/viewers have default expectations about where log files go. I would include metalog's upstream defaults as an example, though, so that an admin can easily convert to that, as well. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating

Re: Should download managers offer some virtual package?

2007-12-04 Thread Steve Greenland
y? If so, the virtual package is not a good idea; instead, liferea should, in fact, list them specifically. Steve, continuing his probably pointless campaign against useless virtual packages. -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and

Re: xinetd is a viable inet-superserver

2007-11-29 Thread Steve Greenland
On 28-Nov-07, 13:01 (CST), Michael Biebl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Steve Greenland schrieb: > > On 28-Nov-07, 05:25 (CST), Michael Biebl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Pierre Habouzit schrieb: > >>> wrong. providing inet-superserver means t

Re: xinetd is a viable inet-superserver

2007-11-28 Thread Steve Greenland
ifference is that other packages don't manipulate log file configuration. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. -- seen on the net -- To

Re: Packages with httpd needs

2007-11-27 Thread Steve Greenland
ple is wordpress, which will write mod_rewrite configuration, but runs quite happily without it. Hans, I've had no problem getting maintainers to add "| httpd" to the Depends, once I've confirmed that the package does, indeed, work with non-apache servers. Steve -- Stev

Re: dh_installinit

2007-11-12 Thread Steve Greenland
; > There are hurd packages for this package so that should also work. Wrong. That code is buggy. The limit of OPEN_MAX can be indeterminate, and thus sysconf(_SC_OPEN_MAX) can return -1. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating sys

Re: Orphaned packages with quite some users

2007-10-31 Thread Steve Greenland
On 31-Oct-07, 12:39 (CDT), Ben Goodger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > libvncserver has dropped out of use and been replaced by vlc. Huh? VNC != VLC. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to

Re: Default mail-transport-agent

2007-10-24 Thread Steve Greenland
postfix (with a proper default config) *is* the minimal solution. FWIW, I use postfix everywhere, so I only need to deal with one MTA. I find postfix more understandable than exim, but I know others feel the reverse. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be makin

Re: Bug#447712: Package could be non-free in the United Kingdom

2007-10-23 Thread Steve Greenland
the license on the package itself doesn't make that restriction. Mere local law shouldn't make a package DFSG non-free. I'd bet there are many packages in Debian whose distribution or use violates local law somewhere in the world. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that B

Re: Bug#447514: ITP: apt-cacher-ng -- Caching proxy for distribution of software packages

2007-10-23 Thread Steve Greenland
: BSD, original ^ "Original", as in the 4-clause anti-advertising version? It's your code, your license choice, of course, but it's so rarely used these days, I kind of wondered... Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a st

Re: Bug#446791: ITP: python-pycg -- NVIDIA's Cg 1.4 for Python

2007-10-15 Thread Steve Greenland
elves. ITPs serve as a marker, but also as way to get some of the package basics right before you upload debs and people spend time translating them. The sooner you find and fix a bug, the easier it is. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable oper

Re: Handling of poorly maintained and useless packages

2007-10-12 Thread Steve Greenland
ing other comments, I think the one month/two month periods are bit short - people do take vacations. Other than that, good proposal. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over

Re: Bug#445866: ITP: perforce -- closed source revision control system

2007-10-10 Thread Steve Greenland
g another? > > I don't see the relevance of this argument, really, but if you really think > it's a problem: What if someone needed to access an existing Perforce > repository? They could download and install the client from Perforce? Steve -- Steve Greenland The

Re: modified email address in debian/copyright file

2007-09-25 Thread Steve Greenland
not even like they have to get it right on the first try -- just generate a bunch of differnt "unmunges", and try them. Or, more accurately, sell them to losers. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvald

Re: Bug#443904: ITP: jugglemaster -- graphical siteswap simulator

2007-09-24 Thread Steve Greenland
a lot of package descriptions. However, spelling it out explicitly may be a bit much. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. -- seen on the net -- To UNS

Re: modified email address in debian/copyright file

2007-09-24 Thread Steve Greenland
ion ? These would be the same people who are distributing the code, right? And who put their preferred public e-mail address in the associated documentation? If you don't want a particular e-mail address distributed, then don't distribute it. Steve -- Steve Greenland The ir

Re: Bug#443769: rt2500-source: Missing dependency on bzip2

2007-09-24 Thread Steve Greenland
definition - a package that is usually installed along with it > but not strictly required. It seems to me that module-assistant should recommend/depend on bzip2, since it is presumably m-a that is calling it. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be mak

Re: Bug#443528: ITP: xmms-pulse -- Pulseaudio Output plugin for xmms

2007-09-23 Thread Steve Greenland
s packages anymore; but go for xmm2 or > audacious (unless you want to take over xmms itself). Audacious already has pulse support. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take ove

Re: many packages FTBFS, if $TAPE is set

2007-09-10 Thread Steve Greenland
oot? > But OK, I'll try to fix the package (setting HOME inside debian/rules > should help). That's fixing a symptom, not the bug. What possible justification is there for a package looking at the contents of $HOME during the build? Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is tha

Re: Package cache

2007-08-20 Thread Steve Greenland
used on a site, so that if you're maintaining several machines with similar package loads, most of your downloads are local. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the

Re: Considerations for 'xmms' removal from Debian

2007-08-10 Thread Steve Greenland
g is going remove xmms from *your* system except you. It simply won't be available as a Debian package from the Debian archive on new installs. Why not? Because nobody is willing to make the effort to support it. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a

Re: Installing Recommends by default

2007-07-26 Thread Steve Greenland
P < 0 prevents the version from being installed Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. -- seen on the net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL

Re: adding desktop files to misc packages

2007-07-26 Thread Steve Greenland
On 26-Jul-07, 13:41 (CDT), Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Steve Greenland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > 3. The actual contents and structure of the default menu in each WM etc. > > This is a matter of Policy and ENTIRELY orthogonal to issues 1 and 2.

Re: adding desktop files to misc packages

2007-07-26 Thread Steve Greenland
NTIRELY orthogonal to issues 1 and 2. In particular, just saying "we're going to use the FDo format now" does nothing to prevent the kind of mess you see in the Debian menu. OTOH, setting an acceptable policy would clean up not only the GNOME menu but all the other menu systems. Reg

Re: adding desktop files to misc packages

2007-07-25 Thread Steve Greenland
quently used apps. For a lot of users, browsing the menu is how they find out what's available. No, I'm not arguing every shell, interpeter, or other text app needs a menu a entry, I agree with you on that. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a

Re: Bug#433143: ITP: bzr-rebase -- Rebase plugin for Bazaar

2007-07-17 Thread Steve Greenland
ackages will have to reflect *that*. Fine. Figure out a way to transition that doesn't involve automatically replacing baz with bzr. Or, just include in the bazaar package long description "This is baz, not bzr. You probably want the bzr package, instead." Or, just have 'bazaar

Re: adding desktop files to misc packages

2007-07-17 Thread Steve Greenland
ats is silly. If the FDo format is a complete superset of the debian menu format, then transitioning to FDo format is a fine proposal. Someone (Bruce Sass?) proposed a straightforward transition plan. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating

Re: Bug#433143: ITP: bzr-rebase -- Rebase plugin for Bazaar

2007-07-17 Thread Steve Greenland
and suggesting others. Wouldn't that cause people who currently have "bazaar" (the package) installed to suddenly change from 'baz' (aka "bazaar the old SCM tool") to 'bzr' (the new SCM tool)? That seems like a bad idea. Steve -- Steve Greenland The iron

Re: adding desktop files to misc packages

2007-07-17 Thread Steve Greenland
On 17-Jul-07, 02:05 (CDT), Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Le lundi 16 juillet 2007 ? 19:08 -0500, Steve Greenland a ?crit : > > > Some of the users we target don't even know what a window manager is, > > > and they don't want to know it. >

Re: adding desktop files to misc packages

2007-07-16 Thread Steve Greenland
On 16-Jul-07, 12:57 (CDT), Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Le lundi 16 juillet 2007 ? 12:25 -0500, Steve Greenland a ?crit : > > So I can try a new window manager without restarting my xsession. > > Does your job include daily window manager testing? No. But

Re: adding desktop files to misc packages

2007-07-16 Thread Steve Greenland
the Debian menu system be trashed in favor the GNOME menu system. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. -- seen on the net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EM

Re: adding desktop files to misc packages

2007-07-16 Thread Steve Greenland
r the record, I'm someone who is generally in favor of the direction GNOME chose. But I think that rather than trashing the Debian menu system, it might be the better choice for GNOME (in Debian), to ignore/disable the Debian menu by default. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bi

Re: adding desktop files to misc packages

2007-07-16 Thread Steve Greenland
because *you* don't use something doesn't make it unimportant. One of the big values of Debian is a long time tolerance and support of a variety of users and use patterns, even those that are non-mainstream. If you find the Debian menu to be clutter, fine. Ignore it, or change the configura

Re: adding desktop files to misc packages

2007-07-16 Thread Steve Greenland
s the use case for that entry. So I can try a new window manager without restarting my xsession. So J. Random User can easily see what window managers are available. Not everybody thinks GNOME and KDE are the epitome of desktop management. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill

Re: Considerations for 'xmms' removal from Debian

2007-07-15 Thread Steve Greenland
x27;m not. I don't think you're wrong to be offended by jerks. However, based on 20 years of Usenet and mailling list experience, I do think you'll be happier in the long run by learning to ignore them. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making

Re: Considerations for 'xmms' removal from Debian

2007-07-11 Thread Steve Greenland
lar tools. Since you obviously modeled Audacious on XMMS (via BMP), I'm not sure why you find such comparisons offensive. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world.

Re: Considerations for 'xmms' removal from Debian

2007-07-08 Thread Steve Greenland
BUT * is incapable of fixing/replacing the desktop links and scripts. H. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. -- seen on the net -- To UNSUB

Re: apt-get -y upgrade for non-interactive sessions - and replacing conf files in /etc

2007-07-05 Thread Steve Greenland
ORITY=critical That's only for debconf; I think Alan is talking about the dpkg level conffile handling. Alan, you know that it should only be prompting you on conffiles you actually modified? Do you really want those overwritten? Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gate

Re: curl dependency problem in unstable

2007-06-25 Thread Steve Greenland
table issues are on > topic here, Um, why then would we encourage users of unstable to subscribe to debian-devel and ask questions here? Problems with the unstable archives are on-topic for -devel. Sure, the user might be *mistaken* about the source of the problem, but we can solve that. Ste

Re: Bug#430140: ITP: hoard -- Fast, scalable, and efficient replacement memory allocator

2007-06-24 Thread Steve Greenland
a catch somehow. Without having any knowledge of the specifics of hoard, the phrase "faster and more efficient under many load patterns" does not eliminate the possibility of "pathologically horrible behaviour under other load patterns". Bubble sort works pretty well if the i

Re: APT 0.7 for sid

2007-06-11 Thread Steve Greenland
On 11-Jun-07, 08:45 (CDT), Michael Banck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Jun 10, 2007 at 06:08:44PM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: > > Really? I'd have guessed that most people used aptitude. I can't imagine > > anyone preferring synaptic to aptitude. Of course

Re: APT 0.7 for sid

2007-06-11 Thread Steve Greenland
On 10-Jun-07, 20:16 (CDT), Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Jun 10, 2007 at 06:08:44PM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: > > On 10-Jun-07, 17:47 (CDT), Daniel Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Since then, it seems like most users have switched

Re: APT 0.7 for sid

2007-06-10 Thread Steve Greenland
ost developers think that Recommendations are > meaningless, then maybe we should make them meaningless. But we should > not have a situation where following Policy and tradition mean you get > subjected to random sniping about your "wrong" behavior. Agree 100%. Regards, Steve t

Re: Bug#428212: ITP: linky -- an Iceweasel extension to handle web and image links

2007-06-09 Thread Steve Greenland
: MPL-1.1 > Description : an Iceweasel extension to handle web and image links Aren't iceweasel extension packages supposed to be named 'iceweasel-foo'? (No idea if there's actual policy, just looking at the existing packages) Thus "Package name : iceweasel-li

Re: APT 0.7 for sid

2007-06-09 Thread Steve Greenland
d until the other packages caught up was something aptitude couldn't spot. The "new" dependency resolver, with its scoring and easily overridable choices, has pretty much solved this problem. But someone burned a few years ago might not know this. Steve -- Steve Greenland The ir

Re: Is there a way to positively, uniquely identify which Debian release a program is running on?

2007-06-09 Thread Steve Greenland
var/lib/dpkg/status (because packages might be on hold). Yes, many systems don't mix-n-match, and are pure etch or whatever. The contents of /etc/debian_release doesn't, and can't, tell you that, no matter how it's packaged. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that

Re: Is there a way to positively, uniquely identify which Debian release a program is running on?

2007-06-08 Thread Steve Greenland
ackage versions you need, and stop worrying about it. Steve PS How come my unstable system says "lenny/sid" and my etch systems say "4.0"? Is someone deliberately trying to make it impossible to parse? Perhaps as a not-so-subtle way of saying "don't use this from code&q

Re: Is there a way to positively, uniquely identify which Debian release a program is running on?

2007-06-05 Thread Steve Greenland
ld correct packages for the current stable version, e.g. etch. If they've got their dependencies correct, I should be able to install packages from other releases without too much anguish. Of course, if I have problem, I shouldn't be surprised to hear "we can't duplicate it on

Re: undo configuration file changes

2007-06-01 Thread Steve Greenland
interface to modify configuration (e.g. update-rc.d). Other than that, it's usually a bad idea to attempt to modify other packages' configuration files. If it's a conffile, it's explicitly forbidden by policy. See policy 10.7 and especially 10.7.4. Steve -- Steve Greenland T

Re: BoF: Supporting 15,000 packages - How much support do we mean?

2007-05-30 Thread Steve Greenland
xpected stability of the package and what the bugs are. I'm not sure the number, in and of itself, is meaningful. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world.

Re: Mandatory -dbg packages for libraries?

2007-05-22 Thread Steve Greenland
On 22-May-07, 13:40 (CDT), Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 09:19:52PM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: > > Why should we spend time and space to provide something that doesn't > > do anything useful?[1] > > I also once heard an ar

Re: Mandatory -dbg packages for libraries?

2007-05-20 Thread Steve Greenland
On 20-May-07, 13:41 (CDT), Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 11:28:49AM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: > > On 09-May-07, 04:02 (CDT), Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I'm not entirely sure about the s

Re: Bug#425050: initramfs-tools: Ask if we should update all initramfses

2007-05-20 Thread Steve Greenland
not at medium priority. Additionally, debconf breaks dpkg conffile handling -- if a setting is in debconf, the file can't be a conffile. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying t

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-20 Thread Steve Greenland
> [examples deleted] Ban them all. None of that crap belongs on a Debian technical list. No amount of technical input can compensate for the hostility and stupidity that those kind of posts promote. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable ope

Re: Debian desktop -situation, proposals for discussion and change. Users point of view.

2007-05-17 Thread Steve Greenland
m authors don't want to hear about Debian specific bugs. The user doesn't want to (and often can't) distinguish between Debian and upstream bugs. We make it easy to report bugs to us, and it's our job to work from there. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates

Re: Debian desktop -situation, proposals for discussion and change. Users point of view.

2007-05-16 Thread Steve Greenland
(Please don't CC me on list mail.) On 16-May-07, 01:58 (CDT), "Mgr. Peter Tuharsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Steve Greenland wrote / nap?sal(a): > > As I illustreted, "rock solid" is not automatically guaranteed by > oldness of software or by le

Re: Debian desktop -situation, proposals for discussion and change. Users point of view.

2007-05-16 Thread Steve Greenland
ng testing is "dependencies are correct and fulfillable", this strikes most of us as unlikely. I won't claim testing has never had a broken depends, but it's very rare, and never hundreds of packages. It's a basic point of science that the person making the unusual claim

Re: Debian desktop -situation, proposals for discussion and change. Users point of view.

2007-05-15 Thread Steve Greenland
ve, but I'm not convinced that "become more like Ubuntu" is one of them. Why not let Ubuntu fulfill the desires of that group of users? Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying

Re: Debian desktop -situation, proposals for discussion and change. Users point of view.

2007-05-15 Thread Steve Greenland
s "stable". The sooner before the stable, the > rapidly increasing is the chance that the snapshot that You have will > not be installable at all, will have dependencies severely broken, etc. That does not match my experience with testing. Steve -- Steve Greenland The ir

Re: Debian desktop -situation, proposals for discussion and change. Users point of view.

2007-05-15 Thread Steve Greenland
of breaking other packages than backporting a security fix. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. -- seen on the net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EM

Re: print-system virtual package?

2007-05-15 Thread Steve Greenland
't think you need a virtual depends, but instead an explicit Depends: cupsys-client. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. -- seen on the net -- To U

Re: Bug#423911: ITP: citadel -- Citadel.org is an highly integrated Groupware Platform with a Web 2.0 enabled Webinterface, but also providing SMTP, IMAP, POP3 and GroupDAV access to its content.

2007-05-15 Thread Steve Greenland
should be "web interface." > > Citadel offers Versatile email services with verry low administration > > needed. It provides its own implementations of these server protocols: > > Imap, Pop3, SMTP, ManageSieve, Citadel Versatile => versatile verry => very Imap =&

Re: Sharing a subdirectory of /usr/share between multiple packages ?

2007-05-09 Thread Steve Greenland
On 09-May-07, 06:58 (CDT), Petter Reinholdtsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [Steve Greenland] > > There's no requirement that /usr contain only pre-packaged info; > > most of the wrappers that download binaries (e.g. flash) put them > > under /usr. > >

Re: Mandatory -dbg packages for libraries?

2007-05-09 Thread Steve Greenland
True. Now, does anyone have measurements to show that this has any actual significance in real world code on modern hardware? In particular, anything *besides* the BLAS routines, which is about the only thing I'd expect to be measurable. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates cl

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