sbuild and dpkg-checkbuilddeps

2025-02-13 Thread Scott Talbert
clean-source? Thanks, Scott

Re: What is going on with atomics?

2025-01-21 Thread John Scott
Hello everyone, (TL;DR at the end) I've mostly been lurking on Debian mailing lists for a long time, so if you don't know me, I'm John, a Debian Maintainer working on a couple cross toolchains for building the device firmware that *is* free from source, but I pitch in on many packages here and

Re: signify and signify-openbsd names

2024-10-15 Thread Scott Kitterman
AIR and if things have not changed?) source >package renames do not go through NEW. That you can take over (also >AFAIR if things have not changed) a binary package from another source >package. And that binaries no longer produced by any source get >automatically garbage collected (https://wiki.debian.org/Glossary#nbs). > >So depending on the timelines, the process could be reduced by staging >the binary package moves/take-overs and source package renames in >different ordered uploads. They do go through New. Scott K

Re: Bits from DPL

2024-09-05 Thread Scott Kitterman
On September 5, 2024 3:39:35 PM UTC, Andreas Tille wrote: >Hi, > >Am Wed, Sep 04, 2024 at 11:29:39PM -0400 schrieb Scott Kitterman: >> On Wednesday, September 4, 2024 6:22:14 PM EDT Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: >> > >> > OoC, what is your point, especially

Re: Bits from DPL

2024-09-04 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Wednesday, September 4, 2024 6:22:14 PM EDT Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: > Scott Kitterman wrote on 04/09/2024 at 06:23:50+0200: > > On Monday, September 2, 2024 11:23:30 AM EDT Andreas Tille wrote: > > ... > > > >> While I’ve read several emails in agreement, Sco

Re: Bits from DPL

2024-09-03 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday, September 2, 2024 11:23:30 AM EDT Andreas Tille wrote: ... > While I’ve read several emails in agreement, Scott Kitterman made a > valid point[ru4]: "I don't think we need more process. We just need > someone to do the work of finding the packages and filing the bu

Re: Removing more packages from unstable

2024-08-20 Thread Scott Kitterman
On August 20, 2024 12:16:47 PM UTC, Andrey Rakhmatullin wrote: >On Tue, Aug 20, 2024 at 12:12:33PM +0000, Scott Kitterman wrote: >> >Removing packages that aren't formally orphaned always sounds too bold to >> >me, though it should be fine if we formalize a process

Re: Removing more packages from unstable

2024-08-20 Thread Scott Kitterman
uite reasonable in that regard). There are people doing this, we could use more, but it does happen. I've processed lots of these and it's virtually always fine. In the rare case of a mistake, the cost to rectify the mistake is a trip through New. I don't think we need more process. We just need someone to do the work of finding the packages and filing the bugs. Scott K P.S. FTP Team member, but not speaking for the team.

Re: Q: Ubuntu PPA induced version ordering mess.

2024-07-01 Thread Scott Kitterman
A >version numbers in such a way that packages from those repositories can be >used interchangeably. > I would suggest that you work with upstream on how they will version things in the future, so you aren't bumping the epoch every year. Scott K

Re: Q: Ubuntu PPA induced version ordering mess.

2024-07-01 Thread Scott Kitterman
ppropriate? Yes. I don't think this is it. A sane version is one that's higher than the last one. If upstream wants the last one to include their versioning from non-Debian packages, they can do that. If they don't want to, that's fine, but I don't think we should either then. Scott K

Re: Q: Ubuntu PPA induced version ordering mess.

2024-07-01 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday, July 1, 2024 7:07:16 PM EDT Alec Leamas wrote: > On 02/07/2024 00:54, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > On Monday, July 1, 2024 6:46:06 PM EDT Alec Leamas wrote: > >> If you switch hats for a moment: have you any advice for upstream in > >> this situation? > >

Re: Q: Ubuntu PPA induced version ordering mess.

2024-07-01 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday, July 1, 2024 6:46:06 PM EDT Alec Leamas wrote: > On 02/07/2024 00:31, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > HI again > > > On July 1, 2024 10:18:07 PM UTC, Alec Leamas wrote: > >> But here the situation is that upstream do care and wants to fix it. But > >&

Re: Q: Ubuntu PPA induced version ordering mess.

2024-07-01 Thread Scott Kitterman
On July 1, 2024 10:18:07 PM UTC, Alec Leamas wrote: >On 02/07/2024 00:10, Scott Kitterman wrote: > >Hi Scott, > >> Upstream can change the versioning however they want. They are upstream. If >> they don't care to fix it, then I think we assume they are fine

Re: Q: Ubuntu PPA induced version ordering mess.

2024-07-01 Thread Scott Kitterman
favor of something sane. But the legacy is > there, and we need to handle it. > > Have considered tricks like adding a 1. prefix to the debian/ubuntu > versions. But to me, this looks even worse. > > Thoughts? Upstream can change the versioning however they want. They are upstream. If they don't care to fix it, then I think we assume they are fine with it and leave it as is. Scott K signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: MBF: Building packages in the (not so distant) future

2024-05-26 Thread Scott Kitterman
On May 26, 2024 6:14:40 PM UTC, Bastian Blank wrote: >On Sun, May 26, 2024 at 05:43:54PM +0000, Scott Kitterman wrote: >> On May 26, 2024 5:35:27 PM UTC, Santiago Vila wrote: >> >https://people.debian.org/~sanvila/build-logs/trixie-time-bomb/ >> The clamav issue loo

Re: MBF: Building packages in the (not so distant) future

2024-05-26 Thread Scott Kitterman
ck at 2028-06-10 and built trixie/sid on such date, >and found around 50 packages with time bomb issues of all kinds. A preliminary >list of build logs is available here: > >https://people.debian.org/~sanvila/build-logs/trixie-time-bomb/ The clamav issue looks like a false positive. The distro-info data will get updated between now and then. Scott K

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-05-20 Thread Scott Kitterman
from Debian which don't conform to a specific layout (in my mind, that's the implication of mandating it)? Scott K

Re: Any volunteers for lintian co-maintenance?

2024-05-19 Thread Scott Kitterman
;t know if that is * official* enough for you or not. No, I don't know when DSA will upgrade it. It's a matter of coordination between DSA and the FTP Team that I haven't personally been involved in. Scott K

Bug#1070718: ITP: python-gfloat -- Python module of generic floating point encode/decode logic

2024-05-07 Thread Scott Kitterman
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Scott Kitterman X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org * Package name: python-gfloat Version : 0.1 Upstream Contact: Andrew Fitzgibbon * URL : https://github.com/graphcore-research/gfloat * License : Expat

Bug#1068868: ITP: python3-pyzmq -- Python bindings for 0MQ

2024-04-12 Thread Cody Scott
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Cody Scott X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, cody.sc...@giatec.ca * Package name: python3-pyzmq Version : 25.1.2 Upstream Contact: ZeroMQ * URL : https://pyzmq.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ * License : BSD

Bug#1068863: ITP: python3-atcom -- A tool which makes AT communication easier.

2024-04-12 Thread Cody Scott
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Cody Scott X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, cody.sc...@giatec.ca * Package name: python3-atcom Version : 0.4.3 Upstream Contact: Sixfab * URL : https://pypi.org/project/atcom/ * License : Apache Version 2.0

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-04-09 Thread Scott Kitterman
le. I have all my packages in git on salsa. Mostly I find it not that helpful to me, but I know others value it, so I do it (and for the occasional benefits it provides me). I think I would feel pretty strongly about not continuing to do so if someone told me I had to. Scott K

Re: About Package Maintenance (was: Question to all candidates: What are your technical goals)

2024-04-08 Thread Scott Kitterman
ve to deal with that. If something's broken (in a violates policy, breaks things for the user kind of way), I don't mind NMUs if I'm not paying attention (that does happen sometimes), but the original maintainer of postfix (lamont) made some opinionated choices about the package

Re: Package marked for autoremoval due to closed bug?

2024-03-14 Thread Scott Kitterman
to be removed? > >[1] https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/nifticlib Because the bug still exists in Testing. Once the package in Unstable migrates, all is well. Scott K

Re: Bug#1064033: ITP: asn -- network OSINT CLI ASN, RPKI, BGP, Geo, Recon, Trace

2024-02-15 Thread Scott Kitterman
SN lookups, so not very accurate either. I would definitely encourage you to work with upstream to find a more unique and less inaccurate name before packaging this. Scott K

Re: 64-bit time_t transition in progress

2024-02-02 Thread Scott Kitterman
here there's already a version of the package in experimental (this applies to clamav where we are tracking the latest, non-LTS version in experimental)? Scott K

Re: Proper handling of Lintian warnings due to other packages

2024-01-31 Thread Scott Talbert
On Wed, 31 Jan 2024, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: Quoting Scott Talbert (2024-01-31 16:49:59) On Wed, 31 Jan 2024, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: Unfortunately it is not likely that the package will be catch up soon, because the Haskell team upgrade most Haskell libraries only as a whole. That issue is

Re: Proper handling of Lintian warnings due to other packages

2024-01-31 Thread Scott Talbert
use of debbugs: https://lists.debian.org/debian-haskell/2024/01/msg00012.html Note: I don't discourage usage of debbugs. It's just that I'm unlikely to notice bugs immediately due to the way debbugs notifications work. Scott

Re: Policy: should libraries depend on services (daemons) that they can speak to?

2024-01-07 Thread Scott Kitterman
tions on services (DBus services, DBus >itself, daemons, ...). > >A quick poll on IRC in #-devel seemed to show a majority of people who >responded agreeing with this. > >(This does not have to apply to libnss-* or libpam-* which are not >actually libraries, but plugins.) > >Ansgar I think this is correct. I believe the appropriate relationship is Suggests. Scott K

Re: Bug#1053165: ITS: nunit

2023-09-29 Thread Scott Kitterman
On September 29, 2023 10:01:45 AM UTC, Adam Borowski wrote: >On Thu, Sep 28, 2023 at 03:45:14PM +0000, Scott Kitterman wrote: >> On September 28, 2023 3:22:20 PM UTC, Bastian Germann >> wrote: >> >Okay. What do you suggest for "team maintained" packages

Re: Bug#1053165: ITS: nunit

2023-09-28 Thread Scott Kitterman
cannot even NMU them based on the MIA bug. > >I think, just letting such packages rot for one or two decades does not help >anybody, certainly not our users. > Any team member can orphan the package. Scott K

Re: Default font: Transition from DejaVu to Noto

2023-09-14 Thread Scott Kitterman
We recently had #1050053 [1] filed suggesting we change the Recommends on fonts- noto-unhinted to "the appropriate package" since it's now empty. No idea what that would be though. Suggestions welcome. Scott K {1] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1050053 signat

Re: Potential MBF: packages failing to build twice in a row

2023-08-13 Thread Scott Kitterman
n plakativ, I >wanted to ask here what the canonical way is to fix this issue? Generally something like this (although depending on the Python build tool, it may need some adjustment): https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/packages/dkimpy/-/commit/bf39be7563b680bdc73a67a4db7dc1af05af Scott K

Re: Potential MBF: packages failing to build twice in a row

2023-08-09 Thread Scott Kitterman
d with rebuilding the upstream package metadata. You get the same binary regardless, so as long as you can build the source package by ignoring that diff, it's good to go. Scott K

Re: Potential MBF: packages failing to build twice in a row

2023-08-05 Thread Scott Kitterman
hat this issue is important enough that people should >care and mass bugs be filed, sbuild will need a more concise way to >test this; something like pbuilder's --twice option. For the affected packages I looked at, this was enough to reproduce: dpkg-buildpackage -b dpkg-buildpackage -S Or debuild if you prefer. Scott K

Re: Potential MBF: packages failing to build twice in a row

2023-08-05 Thread Scott Kitterman
gt; preferred form of modification of a Debian package has to be in salsa >> and not in our archive when the changes cannot be represented as quilt >> patches against tarballs. >Is the gbp-pq workflow improper? > Git-dpm too. Apparently everything I do in git is improper. Maybe I should give up on it then? Scott K

Re: Potential MBF: packages failing to build twice in a row

2023-08-05 Thread Scott Kitterman
ks. I think this is useful and we should fix issues like these. For the packages I maintain/co-maintain on the list, I'd pushed fixes to the packaging git, so they should all be fixed after the next upload. In my case, I've gotten in the habit of using -nc when building source packages, but that's a crutch and it's better to fix the issues. Thanks for the prompt. Scott K signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Bug#1040556: ITP: aioquic -- Library for the QUIC network protocol in Python

2023-07-07 Thread Scott Kitterman
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Scott Kitterman X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, debian-pyt...@lists.debian.org * Package name: aioquic Version : 0.9.21 Upstream Author : Jeremy Lainé * URL : https://github.com/aiortc/aioquic * License

Bug#1040553: ITP: pylsqpack -- Python wrapper around the ls-qpack library

2023-07-07 Thread Scott Kitterman
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Scott Kitterman X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, debian-pyt...@lists.debian.org * Package name: pylsqpack Version : 0.3.17 Upstream Author : Jeremy Lainé * URL : https://github.com/aiortc/pylsqpack * License

Re: Proposed MBF - removal of pcre3 by Bookworm

2023-06-29 Thread Scott Kitterman
erge_requests/2529 Here's the postfix change, for another example: https://github.com/vdukhovni/postfix/commit/ 3b0ac407f313135ffd74e248ad88abd2ad6dfe09 Scott K signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: Policy consensus on transition when removing initscripts.

2023-06-26 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday, June 26, 2023 2:02:24 PM EDT Bastian Blank wrote: > On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 01:22:38PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > > Less prone to errors than a manual process might be to watch > > > automatically where legacy startup scripts disappear anyway; it's not

Re: MBF: packages shipping init scripts without corresponding systemd units

2023-06-26 Thread Scott Kitterman
atches exactly the old > > > init script name, in which case it's fine to add an override and close > > > the bug. > > > > It would probably make things easier if I typed the destination > > address correctly. > > It's generally expected that yo

Re: Policy consensus on transition when removing initscripts.

2023-06-26 Thread Scott Kitterman
r the policy discussion to say that maintainers who drop sysv init scripts should file a bug against orphan- sysvinit-scripts with the final version of the provided init attached and which lists the lowest version that won't include it (so that orphan-sysvinit- scripts can Replaces << that version). Scott K signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: Bug#1037927: ITP: fuse -- bazil.org/fuse - With macOS support and its own import path so replace directives aren't necessary

2023-06-14 Thread Scott Talbert
On Wed, 14 Jun 2023, Félix Sipma wrote: * Package name: fuse There's already a package named fuse in Debian: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/fuse Regards, Scott

Re: Bug#1037250: ITP: fangfrisch -- Update and verify unofficial Clam Anti-Virus signatures

2023-06-10 Thread Scott Kitterman
angfrisch is still a useful thing to have in Debian. Scott K signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: Bug#1037250: ITP: fangfrisch -- Update and verify unofficial Clam Anti-Virus signatures

2023-06-09 Thread Scott Kitterman
eam: https://salsa.debian.org/clamav-team Fangfrisch has been on my TODO list for some time and I'm glad someone has taken it up. It'd be nice to see it maintained in the same team with clamav. Scott K signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Bug#1035318: ITP: golang-github-bemasher-rtltcp -- Go library interface to an rtltcp daemon

2023-04-30 Thread John Scott
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: John Scott X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org Control: block 1025210 by -1 * Package name: golang-github-bemasher-rtltcp * URL : https://github.com/bemasher/rtltcp * License : AGPLv3 Programming Lang: Go Description

Bug#1033888: ITP: usbscale -- read weight data from a USB scale

2023-04-03 Thread John Scott
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: John Scott Tags: newcomer X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org * Package name    : usbscale   Upstream Contact: Eric Jiang * URL : https://github.com/erjiang/usbscale * License : GPL 3.0 or any later version   Programming Lang: C

Re: Reducing allowed Vcs for packaging?

2023-03-04 Thread Scott Kitterman
ll be another option, where a generated tarball is >uploaded as upstream source (as is already required by the ftp team for >repacks) plus one debian/patches/debian.patch containing all changes to >the upstream sources. > >Generating one quilt patch per commit that changes the upstream sources >would not always be technically possible due to limitations of quilt. Putting something in a git repository doesn't make a particular file more or less the preferred form of modification. It's the same form. IMO you are conflating two separate concepts here. I don't find Sean's perspective at all surprising. Scott K

Re: Yearless copyrights: what do people think?

2023-02-22 Thread Scott Kitterman
e only >difference is one notice included years and one did not. > I would add, that it's absolutely a requirement for license compliance in some cases. For those cases, please continue to include it. I don't think Debian should have a view that failing to comply with a license is okay if we think we can get away with it. Scott K

Re: Yearless copyrights: what do people think?

2023-02-22 Thread Scott Kitterman
red to state copyright at all). > > - Jonas > >¹ Unless some licensing requires listing copyright *years* which from >the top of my head I do not recall having seen, but am too lazy to check >- also because my interest is not to cut corners most possible but to be >as helpful to our users as possible, and copyright years serve a real >(albeit cornercase) purpose. You won't encounter it in license texts this way. Many licenses require complete/verbatim inclusion of the copyright claims. If you remove the years, you aren't doing that. Scott K

Re: Yearless copyrights: what do people think?

2023-02-22 Thread Scott Kitterman
anged - yes, this happens). I don't think you should assume acceptance of a package without years implies any particular judgement about if the practice is good or bad. Scott K P.S. Please don't turn this into yet another thread about how annoying having to spend time on debian/copyright is. We know.

Re: Does removal of global variables from a library break C ABI?

2023-01-18 Thread Scott Talbert
On Wed, 18 Jan 2023, Peter Pentchev wrote: On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 08:03:18PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: Scott Talbert writes: In one of the library packages I maintain (hidapi), upstream removed a couple of global variables (my .symbols file noticed this). See abipkgdiff below. Does

Does removal of global variables from a library break C ABI?

2023-01-17 Thread Scott Talbert
, so I can't see how external user code would have referenced them. Thanks, Scott changes of 'libhidapi-hidraw.so.0.0.0'=== Functions changes summary: 0 Removed, 0 Changed, 0 Added function Variables changes summary: 0 Removed, 0 Changed, 0

Re: Bug#1028467: ITP: borgbackup2 -- version 2.x of a deduplicating and compressing backup program

2023-01-17 Thread Scott Kitterman
27;s guaranteed to be installed. The new borg2 package has a borg-is-borg2 binary which provides usr/bin/borg pointing to borg2. These two packages conflict, so that only one usr/bin/borg provider can be installed. After Bookworm is released, borg1/borg2 can recommend their usr/bin/borg provider and the user can pick. Once borg1 is removed, the extra packages can be dropped too. This might be a little more work and needs a trip through new, but I think it's policy compliant and a little lower risk. Scott K

Bug#1025210: ITP: rtlamr -- RTL-SDR receiver for smart utility meters

2022-11-30 Thread John Scott
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: John Scott X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, debian-h...@lists.debian.org, debian...@lists.debian.org * Package name    : rtlamr   Version : 0.9.1   Upstream Author : Douglas Hall * URL : https://github.com/bemasher/rtlamr

Re: Bug#1024660: ITP: ranges -- Command line program to extract ranges from various types of lists, e.g. integer numbers, dates, IP and MAC addresses.

2022-11-22 Thread Scott Kitterman
ild a deb package and check it with lintian, so I'm > not unprepared :) The package name is very generic. I would pick something more specific. Also, I suspect the speed advantage would be less significant if you used SubnetTree (python3-subnettree), which does all the hard work in C. Is this really needed? Scott K signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: wxWidgets update & opencpn.

2022-10-28 Thread Scott Talbert
e you trying to avoid that extra effort? Regards, Scott

Re: Transition: pkg-config to pkgconf: next steps

2022-10-20 Thread Scott Talbert
ome transient failures due to the perl rebuild that's ongoing. Specifically wxwidgets3.0 and wxpython4.0 are affected by that. Scott

Bug#1021964: ITP: python-noseofyeti -- Module to create Python codec for tests using RSpec inspired DSL

2022-10-17 Thread Scott Kitterman
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Scott Kitterman X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, debian-pyt...@lists.debian.org * Package name: python-noseofyeti Version : 2.3.1 Upstream Author : Stephen Moore * URL : https://github.com/delfick/nose-of-yeti

Re: Proposed MBF: wxwidgets3.2 transition

2022-09-15 Thread Scott Talbert
On Thu, 15 Sep 2022, Andreas Metzler wrote: On 2022-09-13 Scott Talbert wrote: Hi, wxWidgets 3.2 (a new API/ABI stable release) has been released a few months ago and is now packaged in unstable as wxwidgets3.2. Upstream has stopped supporting wxWidgets 3.0, so the Debian wx team would

Re: Proposed MBF: wxwidgets3.2 transition

2022-09-14 Thread Scott Talbert
On Wed, 14 Sep 2022, gregor herrmann wrote: On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 22:32:23 -0400, Scott Talbert wrote: wxWidgets 3.2 (a new API/ABI stable release) has been released a few months ago and is now packaged in unstable as wxwidgets3.2. … For most packages, the transition should be as simple as

Re: Proposed MBF: wxwidgets3.2 transition

2022-09-13 Thread Scott Talbert
sion, by using the version-specific wx-config (e.g., wx-config-3.0 or wx-config-3.2), or using the generic wx-config with wx-config --version=x.y. In any event, I don't plan to change the packaging design at this point (it's been this way forever, AFAIK). Maybe when wx 3.4 comes out in ~10 years we can reconsider. :) Scott

Re: Proposed MBF: wxwidgets3.2 transition

2022-09-13 Thread Scott Talbert
On Tue, 13 Sep 2022, Mattia Rizzolo wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 10:32:23PM -0400, Scott Talbert wrote: wxWidgets 3.2 (a new API/ABI stable release) has been released a few months ago and is now packaged in unstable as wxwidgets3.2. Upstream has stopped supporting wxWidgets 3.0, so the

Proposed MBF: wxwidgets3.2 transition

2022-09-12 Thread Scott Talbert
on in Fedora already). The Release Team has set up a transition tracker for us to track progress [1]. I'm planning to file bugs for all packages that haven't yet migrated. dd-list is attached. Please let me know if you have any questions or comments. Thanks, Scott [1] https://rel

Re: Comments on proposing NEW queue improvement (Re: Current NEW review process saps developer motivation

2022-08-28 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Sunday, August 28, 2022 11:53:50 PM EDT Russ Allbery wrote: > Scott Kitterman writes: > > Sean Whitton wrote: > >> I think we still want the binary package namespace checking? > >> > >> I.e., a GR just saying "ftpteam should not do a full > >>

Re: Comments on proposing NEW queue improvement (Re: Current NEW review process saps developer motivation

2022-08-28 Thread Scott Kitterman
namespace checking? > >I.e., a GR just saying "ftpteam should not do a full licensing/copyright >check for packages in binNEW". > >Then no software changes are required. > I think that a GR to prohibit developers from looking for bugs is at least in principle inconsistent with not hiding problems. Scott K

Re: debhelper-compat should allow >= relations

2022-07-30 Thread Scott Kitterman
ebhelper 11 or 12 or 13. I'm having >to patch debian/control every time I do a build, and this isn't a useful >use of my time. Can we please loosen this in some way? Is your package compatible with debhelper 14? If so, how do you know? Scott K

Re: questionable massive auto-removal: buggy deps nvidia-graphics-drivers-tesla-470

2022-06-28 Thread Scott Talbert
at a couple of them and they were (source all) so that does appear to be the problem. All uploads need to be source-only (since bullseye?). Scott

Re: Package uploads silently discarded: how to investigate?

2022-06-26 Thread Scott Kitterman
t's possible that my information >is dated, though That's correct. Scott K

Re: php8.1 ?

2022-06-17 Thread Scott Talbert
repository would be via backports. It looks as if someone has already requested a backport of php8.1, so perhaps you want to follow this bug: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1012615 Scott

Using a build profile on a buildd build

2022-06-15 Thread Scott Talbert
Hi, Is it possible to instruct the buildds to use a build profile when performing an official build (e.g., using nocheck to break a dependency loop)? If so, how? Thanks, Scott

Re: feedback for NEW packages: switch to using the BTS?

2022-05-01 Thread Scott Kitterman
On May 1, 2022 4:44:21 PM UTC, "Timo Röhling" wrote: >* Scott Kitterman [2022-04-29 23:32]: >> I don't understand why this is any better than just rejecting the >> package? Once it's been determined that the upload won't be >> accepted, I don&

Re: feedback for NEW packages: switch to using the BTS?

2022-04-29 Thread Scott Kitterman
On April 29, 2022 11:44:54 PM UTC, Paul Wise wrote: >On Fri, 2022-04-29 at 23:32 +0000, Scott Kitterman wrote: > >> I don't understand why this is any better than just rejecting the >> package?  Once it's been determined that the upload won't be >> accep

Re: feedback for NEW packages: switch to using the BTS?

2022-04-29 Thread Scott Kitterman
PT >action by the ftpmasters, although of course a final review is needed. I don't understand why this is any better than just rejecting the package? Once it's been determined that the upload won't be accepted, I don't see a benefit to having it remain in New. Scott K

Re: feedback for NEW packages: switch to using the BTS?

2022-04-29 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Friday, April 29, 2022 12:08:21 PM EDT Andreas Tille wrote: > Hi Scott, > > thanks a lot for becoming involved into this discussion. > > Am Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 11:26:33AM -0400 schrieb Scott Kitterman: > > 2. Not rejecting packages with serious defects: > > &g

Re: feedback for NEW packages: switch to using the BTS?

2022-04-29 Thread Scott Kitterman
aren't fixed. If that's what is proposed, my thought is absolutely not. If a package is not suitable for the archive then it should be rejected with appropriate feedback and re-uploaded. Note: Although I am a member of the FTP Team, I am only speaking for myself here, not the team as a whole. Scott K signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: libzstd should not be maintained by Debian Med team - could some core team please take over (Was: libzstd 1.5.2 in Debian)

2022-02-21 Thread Scott Kitterman
ider this mail a team-orphane of the package. > > I'm sorry; I do indeed intend to bring it into pkg-rpm, and I will try > to do that in the next couple of days. Apologies for the months of > delay, and thanks a lot for all of your team's work! > > G'lu

Re: multiple roles of d/copyright

2022-02-10 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thursday, February 10, 2022 9:13:29 AM EST The Wanderer wrote: > On 2022-02-10 at 09:06, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > On Thursday, February 10, 2022 8:26:23 AM EST Simon McVittie wrote: > >> I think the copyright file is doing several things which are perhaps in > >> co

Re: multiple roles of d/copyright

2022-02-10 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thursday, February 10, 2022 8:26:23 AM EST Simon McVittie wrote: > On Tue, 08 Feb 2022 at 08:59:23 -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > From my point of view, treating something like other common classes of RC > > bugs means that the project is producing tools and processes to mak

Re: Legal advice regarding the NEW queue

2022-02-08 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 2:45:18 PM EST Paul Gevers wrote: > Hi, > > Release Team member hat on, but not speaking on behalf of the team. I > haven't consulted anybody on the idea I mention below. > > On 08-02-2022 14:59, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > > If peo

Re: Automated copyright reviews using REUSE/SPDX as alternative to DEP-5

2022-02-08 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 2:38:29 PM EST Russ Allbery wrote: > Scott Kitterman writes: > > Technically it would be the simplest, but there's a process for policy > > changes that's more involved than writing emails to d-devel. I'm > > suggesting you enga

Re: Automated copyright reviews using REUSE/SPDX as alternative to DEP-5

2022-02-08 Thread Scott Kitterman
Technically it would be the simplest, but there's a process for policy changes that's more involved than writing emails to d-devel. I'm suggesting you engage with it on this topic if you want the results of your work to be usable in Debian. Scott K On Tuesday, February 8, 2022

Re: Automated copyright reviews using REUSE/SPDX as alternative to DEP-5

2022-02-08 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 12:53:22 PM EST Stephan Lachnit wrote: > On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 5:00 PM Scott Kitterman wrote: > > Since Debian policy requires verbatim copies of licenses (or links to > > /usr/ > > share/common-licenses), I think any policy compliant debian/co

Re: Automated copyright reviews using REUSE/SPDX as alternative to DEP-5

2022-02-08 Thread Scott Kitterman
y policy compliant debian/copyright will have to be human readable, but I'm not that familiar with SPDX, so maybe it will surprise me. I would be good to understand how this proposal supports Debian Policy. Scott K signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: Legal advice regarding the NEW queue

2022-02-08 Thread Scott Kitterman
The > > justification has always been dire consequences if we don't stamp out all > > of these bugs, but to be honest I think this is wildly unlikely. > > I fully subscribe to this. > > I'd also like to thank Scott for > a) His speedy processing of onetbb (w

Re: NEW processing friction

2022-02-07 Thread Scott Kitterman
ase), but with the current state of our tooling that's not a policy that could be implemented (even if there was a consensus among the FTP Masters to do so). Scott K

Re: NEW processing friction

2022-02-07 Thread Scott Kitterman
ncy, suddenly I can't upload new releases to unstable properly >until all the deps have made it through NEW. Backports is an entirely different team. Let's not mix it in with this discussion. It should be it's own thread. Scott K

Re: Legal advice regarding the NEW queue

2022-02-04 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Friday, February 4, 2022 6:24:56 PM EST Philip Hands wrote: > Scott Kitterman writes: > > ... > > > Currently the only answer is join the FTP Team as a trainee when there > > is a call for volunteers. I totally get the frustration. > > People could always just

Re: Legal advice regarding the NEW queue

2022-02-04 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Friday, February 4, 2022 2:48:50 PM EST Russ Allbery wrote: > Scott Kitterman writes: > > Since we're doing strawman arguments in this thread: I disagree with the > > notion that it's not a problem to put crap packages in the archive and > > fix them later if an

Re: Legal advice regarding the NEW queue

2022-02-04 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Friday, February 4, 2022 12:39:09 PM EST Russ Allbery wrote: > The Wanderer writes: > > What I read Scott as having been suggesting, by contrast, is that people > > instead do copyright review for packages already in Debian, which may > > well have had changes that did not

Re: Legal advice regarding the NEW queue

2022-02-04 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Friday, February 4, 2022 4:00:44 AM EST Philip Hands wrote: > Scott Kitterman writes: > > ... > > > My impression is that people are tired of waiting on New, but no one > > really seems to be interested in doing any work on any alternative > > other than more

Re: Legal advice regarding the NEW queue

2022-02-03 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thursday, February 3, 2022 2:40:08 PM EST Phil Morrell wrote: > On Thu, Feb 03, 2022 at 09:43:16AM -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > I am a member of the FTP Team and have been participating, at least a bit, > > in this thread. I am not, however, speaking for the team. > &g

Re: Legal advice regarding the NEW queue

2022-02-03 Thread Scott Kitterman
m. If people think reviews by the broader community can replace New, I would invite you to get started on the work and demonstrate that there is sufficient interest in doing the work. There are plenty of in-archive issues to be found and fixed. I would certainly not support the notion that we have too few licensing documentation bugs in the archive and we can afford to dismantle the one process we have in place that actually makes a difference in this area. Scott K signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: Legal advice regarding the NEW queue

2022-02-01 Thread Scott Kitterman
d to be established and demonstrated to be effective. No reason this can't be done with existing packages to establish the concept. Scott K signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: Do we need to hide packages in NEW queue

2022-01-31 Thread Scott Kitterman
s case a lawyer) can give us information on trade offs related to legal risk (both to potentially losing in a legal action and to having to spend significant project resources even if we win), but the project has to make the decision about what level of risk it is willing to accept. Scott K signat

Bug#1004434: ITP: python-rangehttpserver -- SimpleHTTPServer with support for Range requests

2022-01-27 Thread Scott Kitterman
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Scott Kitterman * Package name: python-rangehttpserver Version : 1.2.0 Upstream Author : Dan Vanderkam * URL : https://github.com/danvk/RangeHTTPServer * License : Apache 2.0 Programming Lang: Python Description

Bug#1004404: ITP: cvdupdate -- ClamAV Private Database Mirror Updater Tool

2022-01-26 Thread Scott Kitterman
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Scott Kitterman * Package name: clamav-cvdupdate Version : 1.0.2 Upstream Author : The Clamav Team * URL : https://github.com/Cisco-Talos/cvdupdate * License : Apache 2.0 Programming Lang: Python Description

Re: Lottery NEW queue (Re: Are libraries with bumped SONAME subject of inspection of ftpmaster or not

2022-01-21 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Friday, January 21, 2022 1:33:07 PM EST Adam Borowski wrote: > On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 01:28:54PM -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > 2. New binary package "steals" binary from another source. This is > > sometimes OK. Sometimes it's accidental. It could

Re: Lottery NEW queue (Re: Are libraries with bumped SONAME subject of inspection of ftpmaster or not

2022-01-21 Thread Scott Kitterman
aintainer, but not for the archive as a whole. I've seen this come up multiple times, usually in the context of the binary being too trivial (which is a judgment call). It's not just let's do extra copyright/license checks. Scott K signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

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