Re: two dpkg-instances / invoking module-assistant on kernel-upgrade

2008-02-17 Thread Philippe Cloutier
So, what is the best practice to recompile kernel-modules on kernel-upgrades? The current best practice is definitely to rely on users' memory :S See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=299727 for some discussion about this. A few hacky ideas were proposed. I don't expect to see a

Re: Re: pre-building NEW packages, when they only introduce new binary packages

2008-02-12 Thread Philippe Cloutier
Le February 12, 2008 03:19:47 am Joerg Jaspert, vous avez écrit : > On 11293 March 1977, Philippe Cloutier wrote: > > Lets jump in here, even if not all points address your mail only. > > > If by "disfavour" you imply that it's intentional that NEW packages >

Re: Re: Re: pre-building NEW packages, when they only introduce new binary packages

2008-02-11 Thread Philippe Cloutier
Dear Philippe, if the ressources are scarce, I think that it would be fair that the internal competition for the access to them would be organised in a productive way. The current system disfavours the works that changes the structure of the package. How does this fit in a strategy to optimise t

Re: Re: pre-building NEW packages, when they only introduce new binary packages

2008-02-11 Thread Philippe Cloutier
On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 20:10:20 -0500 Philippe Cloutier wrote: > > That probably won't make much time difference on "fast" archs (i386, > > amd64 etc), but on slower ones like mips, mipsel etc (those sometimes > > hold up testing transition :(). > A missing bu

Re: pre-building NEW packages, when they only introduce new binary packages

2008-02-09 Thread Philippe Cloutier
That probably won't make much time difference on "fast" archs (i386, amd64 etc), but on slower ones like mips, mipsel etc (those sometimes hold up testing transition :(). A missing build will only slow testing migration if the package wasn't built when the unstable testing delay is over. Since a

Re: [RFC] Changing priority of selinux back to optional

2008-02-05 Thread Philippe Cloutier
I agree. Regarding the installed size, on my not-so-barebone KDE lenny PC (1067 packages installed), installing standard selinux packages would require 40 MB more. Systems with old HDD-s and miniature systems could be bothered. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "

Re: Shouldn't apt-listchanges be Priority: standard?

2007-12-19 Thread Philippe Cloutier
Could we consider increasign the priority of apt-listchanges so that it is installed by default? I'm against making it standard, because currently tasksel doesn't ask if a recommendation should be installed, so when we make tasksel install recommendations by default, apt-listchanges would bring

#BUG_INTERACTIVE (Re: Bug#422085: Better terminal emulator patch_

2007-12-18 Thread Philippe Cloutier
> 3. I'm definitely opposed to a feature which will pop up a *terminal* > where a user has to do something before he can proceed reporting a bug. > Sorry, but this won't happen in rng. I might consider such a thing if it > could be scripted to use QT or even GTK but a terminal popping up in a > G

Re: Re: Bug#454162: libxine1-plugins: should not depend on libxine1-gnome

2007-12-08 Thread Philippe Cloutier
This bug is now about that all plugins are installed by default, dragging in too many dependencies at install/upgrade time. I have the following compromise in mind, which I first want to be commented on before I do the follwing changes: a) Let's introduce 2 meta packages: libxine1-all-plugins, w

Testing migration (Re: Re: Bits from the MIA team)

2007-12-08 Thread Philippe Cloutier
At least use important. I actually don't care, if there is a bug or not for the issue. But I do care about the testing migration. We do have DDs, who are doing work only during the weekend (which is perfectly acceptable). So if you write an RC bug on monday, this might hold up the testing migr

firmware-nonfree (Re: Bug#448980: ITP: rt73-firmware -- firmware for Ralink USB wireless cards)

2007-11-03 Thread Philippe Cloutier
What about adding it to the already existing firmware-nonfree source package? Cheers, Moritz What about it, indeed? Would it have any advantage over introducing a new source package? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAI

Re: Re: Enabling and installing of "risky" ("patented") codecs - madeeasy

2007-10-23 Thread Philippe Cloutier
I don't see why users in countries where software is not patentable should be forced to jump through hoops to get access to multimedia software. If this repository is not added to the user's sources.list file by default then there is no advantage in setting up yet another repository for such

Re: Re: Out-of-tree kernel module popularity

2007-10-23 Thread Philippe Cloutier
If anyone has some time, it would be valuable to work through the list and check, which of these have been merged into Linux mainline by now (e.g. several of the wifi drivers have) and report the missing ones to Greg Kroah-H's driver project: http://www.linuxdriverproject.org/twiki/bin/view Accor

Re: Re: Out-of-tree kernel module popularity

2007-10-23 Thread Philippe Cloutier
WiFi > 4 ipw3945 897 Replaced by (free) iwlwifi which will be present in 2.6.24. iwlwifi is "contrib", like ipw3945. > 25 ieee80211 109 > 61 ieee80211softmac 14 > 31 ipw2100 71 > 18 ipw2200

Wiki page (was Re: [RFC] Promoting the use of "Homepage:" field in debian/control)

2007-09-20 Thread Philippe Cloutier
> > I'd start with amending the Developers' Reference, then having a test > added to lintian and linda, and after that announcing it on > debian-devel-announce. Then next year, after everyone's had time to > react and upload new packages, do a mass bug filing. Basically agreed. I created http://w

Wiki page (was Re: [RFC] Promoting the use of "Homepage:" field in debian/control)

2007-09-20 Thread Philippe Cloutier
I'd start with amending the Developers' Reference, then having a test added to lintian and linda, and after that announcing it on debian-devel-announce. Then next year, after everyone's had time to react and upload new packages, do a mass bug filing. Basically agreed. I created http://wiki.debia

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

2007-08-09 Thread Philippe Cloutier
* Simplify installation of out-of-tree kernel modules, possibly by adapting Ubuntu's Restricted Manager to work with m-a. Non-free drivers would *only* be displayed if non-free is in the sources.list. No plans AFAIK. Working on this should not be difficult and should be appreciated, either by i

Re: Re: Release team structure (was Release Team Meeting results (the Juelich Edition))

2007-07-11 Thread Philippe Cloutier
* Filipus Klutiero ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070616 20:46]: > Le vendredi 15 juin 2007 19:19, Andreas Barth a écrit?: > > Release team structure > > ~~ > > Steve Langasek, who served as Release Manager for the past two cycles, > > doesn't want to be on the hot seat anymore. As he i

Re: Re: GCC 4.2 transition

2007-06-29 Thread Philippe Cloutier
BTW: anybody more versed in the bts system than I am, how can I get #359634 marked as not actually being fixed? Does a simple reopen not work? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Re: APT 0.7 for sid

2007-06-13 Thread Philippe Cloutier
I am definitely a GUI person (aptitude is the last non-GUI program with a GUI available that I still use), but I still prefer aptitude to any other. I was under the impression that most others did too, is it not the recommended Debian way?. Yes (but that's a reported bug, #418455) -- To UNSUBSC

aptitude removals (was Re: APT 0.7 for sid)

2007-06-10 Thread Philippe Cloutier
Apparently there have been bugs in this for years and no-one reported them until they caused trouble for the d-i team several months ago. They should be fixed in stable's aptitude now, and I would appreciate bug reports on any transition problems that remain. FWIW, I thought that you acknowledged

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (was Re: Why not move Apt to a relational database)

2007-06-03 Thread Philippe Cloutier
Is this the correct mailing list to send this idea to? [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Re: Reasons for recommends and suggests

2007-05-18 Thread Philippe Cloutier
The only time you wouldn't want a Recommends: installed is if you know that it wouldn't be useful. Not really. Policy is vague and only specifies that Recommends means that more than a proportion between 1/2 and 1 of systems consider that the recommended package's contribution to the recommend

Re: Re: Did the number of installations really increase by a half in one month?

2007-05-12 Thread Philippe Cloutier
Ah, dammit. Thanks anyway :-P -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Re: primary mirrors, debootstrap and d-i (was Modifying/etc/apt/sources.list in postinst)

2007-04-04 Thread Philippe Cloutier
Am I right in thinking that normal d-i installations ensure that at least one primary mirror is selected (or at least strongly advise that one primary should exist)? No -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Re: Debian ISOs

2007-02-21 Thread Philippe Cloutier
Hendrik makes me think that ktorrent would be another good idea. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: IPW3945

2006-12-23 Thread Philippe Cloutier
Daniel Baumann a écrit : Philippe Cloutier wrote: See #363967. I heard some doubts about panthera's ability to handle more stuff, so maybe you can offer help. thanks you for your trust in me, this makes me very happy. Hi Daniel, I see you didn't take that a complimen

Re: IPW3945

2006-11-07 Thread Philippe Cloutier
See #363967. I heard some doubts about panthera's ability to handle more stuff, so maybe you can offer help. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Linux 2.6.18

2006-10-28 Thread Philippe Cloutier
Is there any chance 2.6.18 will make it into etch to solve bugs like #391448 and #389803? Yes, but this requires addressing #395110, investigating or fixing #395247 and #392818 and getting a s390 build first, as per linux-2.6's excuses. This would be best asked to debian-kernel. -- To UNS