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eractive list of packages with the
option to install them, 'isenkram-autoinstall-firmware' to automatically
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'tasksel' after installing the isenkram-cli package to get a tasksel
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nous. No amount of wishful
thinking is going to bring is back to a world where static sequencing of
boot events is going to handle all the interdependencies.
To bad systemd do not work with kFreeBSD and Hurd, then we could use the
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o maintain them. There are hundreds of open bugs against the
sysvinit packages in Debian already.
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binary packages, to let them live separate lives. It will be sad, but
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bad. :/
On the other hand, it make me glad to have yet another example of the
value of the less popular architectures. :)
Does this mean that running the autopkgtest scripts on hurd or kfreebsd
would expose these problems? Do we have any idea how widespread the
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ave started one myself.
I assume other distributions are affected too. What are they doing to
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awk '$4 > 5000 {print $2}' | \
sort > ubuntu-popular
awk '{print $2}' debian-by_vote-main | sort > debian-main
comm -23 ubuntu-popular debian-main
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and hope we will figure out what is wrong with the import very soon.
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I expect hand written boot
scripts for each individual boot system is needed.
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The new /lib/init/init-d/script is in the sysvinit-utils package in
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;s a bad idea to think about.
Sure. Just trying to keep this mechanism simple. :)
> Sorry for typo :(
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But those that use it, really need to run after most of the
scripts in the boot sequence, without being able to list them all.
rc.local is one example, which by definition should be among the last
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> I think, there is a parser for this LSB-info somewhere in the lsb-*
> packages.
Why do you believe this is an advantage?
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with a sub
(previously called "runscripts")... :)
Where can I read more about these problems. One obvious and annoying
one is that 'sh -x /etc/init.d/script start' no longer work, making it
harder to debug the scripts, but that is the only one I have seen so
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tunately, it doesn't, because there will be problems with
> dependencies, as much as I understand.
Yes, different name spaces will be a challenge. But it can be handled
by deciding to keep the name spaces in sync, using the same name for
the same service in LSB headers, upstart jobs
ntain by reducing
the amount of information/code each package maintainer need to provide.
> Why not write an upstart job instead? It works with sysvinit today!
Because it only work with upstart at the moment. :)
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a replacement for the
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Everything should be configurable or overridable, so those with more
complex needs could be able to use it too.
> I've got a few of those... some in Debian, others not in Debian yet.
Great. Please try to convert them to this new approach and let me know
if you run into pro
or the line counting in the subject, I decided to ignore commented
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et the .sh ending, and in
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s would be sourced by /etc/init.d/rc and /etc/init.d/rcS
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removed when sysv-rc started to run scripts in parallell, as it no
longer made sense.
> So my question was not too stupid :)
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to only update consolekit, or if utmp must be updated too.
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For Jessie, I hope we have time to figure out a solution, but for
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tasksel to install the original task. After all, we want to make sure
upgrades and installations end up with almost the same setup.
If you want to create such chroot test with jenkins, I am sure Holger
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t me if I'm wrong.
You are wrong. Debian Edu also expect /etc/network/interfaces to have
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[Philipp Kern]
> What in LVM should need to be shutdown?
No idea. I have just seen messages about the LVM subsystem being busy
at shutdown. I have not investigated where they came from.
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Thus, having stuff in / depend on libraries in /usr/ can cause real
problems during shutdown.
See http://bugs.debian.org/120340 > and
http://bugs.debian.org/159771 > for the old story about bash and
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I really hope we can get rid of the circular package dependencies. :)
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by Kel. The patch has
been available for more than two years.
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the population do so already, and there is an upward trend, so it
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> limited choice.
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installation in Debian work. They use read-only NFS-mounted file
systems and a writable tmpfs mounted on /tmp/.
- It reduces the number of disk writes on a laptop, allowing it to
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e to give each user a different /tmp
> through mount namespaces. I'm not sure whether that's compatible
> with historical use of /tmp by the X window system.)
This sound a bit more scary, yes.
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[Dmitry Smirnov]
> Petter, you sponsored last maintainer's upload back in 2009 - do you
> happen to hear from Jan lately?
Nope. Been busy elsewhere. :)
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The removal of the big kernel lock made the kernel less predictable,
and is the source of these issues. :)
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not sequence based.
There are other scenarios where the boot often fail too, but I guess
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2) Machines switching to/from file-rc.
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hemselves to override their dependencies, and risk them going away
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administrator to insert overrides in /etc/insserv/overrides/ for just
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You can also install file-rc. It only handle the static script
ordering, and when switching the static ordering is activated. :)
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[Adam Borowski]
> Am I supposed to fetch a copy of initscripts and manually compare
> scripts it ships with those on 'dpkg -L initscripts'? Or is there
> some other obscure way?
Try this one instead:
dpkg-query -W -f='${Conffiles}\n' initscripts | grep obso
operly in Debian. Of the around 1000 packages
with init.d scripts in Debian, I suspect at most 100 of them would
need to provide upstart/systemd configuration to make the boot robust
and correct, and the rest of the packages can keep using their
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kages with init.d scripts at the start of
the dependency based boot sequence work. Back then, it was around
1000 binary packages. I used apt-file search /etc/init.d/ to count. :)
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er free GPL license, and all of them are very useful for
> imagination results.
xtraceroute is a similar tool which was in Debian/Lenny. Check out
http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xt.html >. I do not know why it
was removed, but suspect it was unmaintained and dead upstream.
I miss
and gdm scripts have priority.
There is a list in the source, but I do not remember the details.
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. See metainit
and bug report #651004 for some ideas on how this could be done for
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dard to be the way you
>always wanted it to be.
Same as with science, I guess. :)
"A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents
and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents
eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with
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ipt could replace each other, and
those needing the wrapper could depend on the virtual package.
I suspect all that is needed is someone to focus on the problem to
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> too strict.
I definitely believe it is time to require no loops in policy.
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uld get this treatment.
Perhaps some extra LSB-style header in init.d files to flag this would
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Are there other problems with dependency loops?
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I believe we need to come up with a way where most or all package
maintainers (perhaps those handling kernel events and early boot stuff
should be expected) only need to maintain one boot setup for their
package, and this boot setup should be used by all the different boot
systems.
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ct track CVEs in a structured way?
Note that there are several duplicate CPE entries used by NVD. A list
of the ones I have identified so far is in data/CPE/aliases.
Note that there is a bug in your list. xen is claimed to be
grub-legacy. Perhaps check your code?
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package, perhaps in debian/control using "Xs-CPE: " or similar, to
allow cross-distro mapping of packages and make the security teams
work easier. :)
I've started on a package map from Debian source package to CPE ID in
the testing security team svn, data/CPE/list. I now
nds are to be installed by default.
>
> Shouldn't the non-free firmware deb end up installed just from that?
I'm not sure. But I know hw-detect discover what file the kernel
module is asking for, and want it to be possible to map from this file
to the package providing this file
elevant CVEs and make it
trivial to compare Debian and Ubuntu derivatives for the packages
originating from Debian. Perhaps something like:
Xs-CPE: cpe:/a:bash:bash
in debian/control would do it? To get a versioned CPE, ":$version"
could be appended.
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CPE entries. :)
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[Nikita V. Youshchenko]
> Is modifying /etc/inittab from postinst ok for random debian package
> these days?
It is unlikely to cause upgrade problems, at least. :) The file is
copied in place by the sysvinit postinst only if it is missing.
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currently no way to figure out which packages contain firmware and it
is out of the question to unpack all packages to look for firmware
packages.
We should find a better way to identify firmware packages, allowing
hw-detect to find the correct ones without unpacking.
Happy ha
coin more to spend their bitcoins
on. :)
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Try setting DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer to see the communication between
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Workaround is implemented there, but other packages might have similar
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ystemd can use the libcryptsetup1 library.
I believe this is up to the package maintainer, and to me the
arguments for moving the libraries to /lib/ would be enough to move
them. The libraries are needed during early boot, when only / might
be available, and thus should be in /lib/. :)
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now, we will change the default in Debian Edu to use
pulseaudio by default by editing our /etc/asound.conf file to do this.
We earlier only enabled this for thin clients, but if it make sure
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to have for non-thin clients too.
Happ
to 100%, because some machines are not using the
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[Tollef Fog Heen]
> Sounds like a bug in insserv, then.
As far as I can tell it is a design decision.
> Did they provide any reasoning for this?
See http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.init.sysv.devel/66 > for
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during installation and for Squeeze will be updated when DHCP replies
arrives.
Is there an alternative for setting environment variables for all
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we will have to live with
this upgrade pain for Lenny->Squeeze.
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[John Hasler]
> No, wait. Chrony depends on things that depend indirectly on $time
> (so does ntp, IIRC).
Yes, such change need to be done very carefully and in stages, to
avoid dependency loops. See #542602 for a discussion on the ntp order
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ntation on exactly how the /etc/insserv.conf.d
> files work.
It will add it to the existing line.
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en move on to change other packages to use this
location too. I suspect it is best to create a new tool for creating
the home directory, to make sure all user creation tools call these .d
scripts the same way.
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faster than before.
If you maintain a package with a service started during boot using a
init.d script, please make sure your service is operational when the
init.d script exits.
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itude behaviour is worse than that of apt-get. :)
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an-edu-doc, where the master document is fetched as docbook from
wiki.debian.org, passed to translators as .po files and in the end
both HTML and PDF versions of the documentation is generated. :)
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pt would have to change, as well as tasksel. I suspect those two
are the only ones using apt-get or aptitude directly in
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as many submitters are possible, to make sure the popcon data is
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n safely enable popcon. :)
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