Re: [desktop] foomatic-gui is born

2002-11-28 Thread Jules Bean
On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 10:13:22AM -0200, Gustavo Noronha Silva wrote: > Em Wed, 27 Nov 2002 02:21:47 -0600, Chris Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > escreveu: > > > Yes, some sort of "su to root" prompt is probably a good idea; dunno > > if I can reuse the existing code or what. If not, something si

Re:

2002-01-15 Thread Jules Bean
On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 01:56:39PM +0100, Anton Feldmann wrote: > Sehr geehrte Programm bereitsteller, > > mein Name ist Anton Feldmann. Ich hätte gerne von ihnen gewust wann > woody frozen ist. Guten Tag. This is an english-language mailing list; please post in English here. The woody freeze

Re: Will woody ever become stable?

2002-01-15 Thread Jules Bean
On Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 02:49:00PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: > I had a longer discussion with our release manager who said in this > discussion that there's no progress in the freeze of woody. We won't enter > the next stage of the freeze until the base and standard packages are in a > releasable s

Re: Appropriate? mutt/mailx requires mail-transport-agent

2002-01-08 Thread Jules Bean
On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 03:48:53PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Thanks for the replies. I believe that my confusion was founded in > the idea that an MTA both sends and receives mail. The ssmtp package > is an appropriate provider for the sendmail portion of the > mail-transport-agent withou

Re: Quake 2 sources GPL'd

2001-12-22 Thread Jules Bean
On Sat, Dec 22, 2001 at 01:42:41PM -0500, Ben Collins wrote: > gcc to meet those same requirements? You do realize that there are > plenty of free levels out there for quake2 right? We don't have to > distribute that same code just to put quake2 in main. And do you realise that none of those level

Re: Quake 2 sources GPL'd

2001-12-22 Thread Jules Bean
On Sat, Dec 22, 2001 at 11:06:11AM -0500, Ben Collins wrote: > On Fri, Dec 21, 2001 at 11:57:21PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > > > Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > That's not true. If it is possible to create game levels for it that are > > > free, than it is considered

Re: Quake 2 sources GPL'd

2001-12-22 Thread Jules Bean
On Sat, Dec 22, 2001 at 09:51:17AM -0500, David B Harris wrote: > On Sat, 22 Dec 2001 14:37:48 +0100, > Peter Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > There's no reason why the engine itself can't be included in Debian, > > > as far as I'm concerned. It doesn't absolutely *have* to have game > >

Re: Potato to Woody upgrade problem

2001-09-25 Thread Jules Bean
On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 09:28:39AM -0400, Dale Scheetz wrote: > > Now I seem to have some font problems. Netscape seems to be OK, but the > GIMP comes up with [] [] [] [] [] in place of the hint text. The title > bars are OK but any "filled in" text is just [] repeated. Any hints? Branden gives a

Re: new port: and the winner is....

2001-09-24 Thread Jules Bean
On Fri, Sep 21, 2001 at 05:00:48PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > On Fri, 21 Sep 2001, Richard B. Kreckel wrote: > > The social contract says "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software". > > Such a win-port might indeed serve some users. But for my own part, I do > > have some

Re: Bug#66135: libtool_1.3.5-1(unstable): wrapping of binaries fails with -D__LIBTOOL_IS_A_FOOL__

2001-09-21 Thread Jules Bean
On Fri, Sep 21, 2001 at 08:06:19PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > This "bug" is only because of debian/rules which continue to use an > > obsolete (and no longer required) hack in order to remove unwanted > > -rpaths. > > > Just remove the hack, it is no lo

Re: Graphing Debian Lists

2001-09-21 Thread Jules Bean
On Fri, Sep 21, 2001 at 10:38:48AM +0200, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: > subscriptions add and unsubscribes substract from there. A graph for a > statistic is worth nothing if it doesn't have the zero point in it. > First unit statistics lesson. Rubbish. The correct lesson is to learn to always look at

Re: sysctl should disable ECN by default

2001-09-07 Thread Jules Bean
On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 10:02:48AM -0500, Nathan E Norman wrote: > Nazis. Hitler. Microsoft rules! > > (Die thread die!) You fool you! Godwin's law is powerless when deliberately invoked... ('s' a bit like the chronicles of thomas covenant, now I think about it) Jules

Re: Student Looking for A Final Year Project

2001-09-07 Thread Jules Bean
On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 03:18:35PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi > I'm a student at Kent University Canterbury UK I will be starting > my final year project some time next > year and I am looking to find a project that involves linux development > ideally kernel / module based or a

Re: Base freeze on? Will autobuilders use it?

2001-09-07 Thread Jules Bean
On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 09:50:14AM -0400, Peter S Galbraith wrote: > If they don't and rather continue to track unstable, then how > will new optional package enter testing before the `optional' > freeze? They may get built against library versions that aren't > in woody and thus never allowed to

ANother library problem: autobuilder for i386?

2001-09-06 Thread Jules Bean
I just had to recompile balsa to make it installable again, after another of these volatile gnome libraries changed soname on me in sid. It was just a simple recompile, no source changes except the changelog. Of course, it's going to trigger recompiles on all the other architectures. And some of

Re: Fonts working "out of the box"

2001-09-05 Thread Jules Bean
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 11:45:38AM +1000, The Nose Who Knows wrote: > > What would be the best way of approaching these people who may find that > Free licenses are the best way to distribute their work? If we find > that fontographers are interested, we may gain a lot of good quality > work quit

Re: Two sets of binary packages from one source package?

2001-09-04 Thread Jules Bean
On Mon, Sep 03, 2001 at 05:00:58PM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > James LewisMoss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > So my first inclination is just to stop producing the gnome versions, > > but several users have requested that I not do so. > > If the GTK+/GNOME version of XEmacs isn't really usab

Re: Which versions of libraries are developers supposed to compile against?

2001-09-03 Thread Jules Bean
On Sat, Sep 01, 2001 at 08:15:11AM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: > Basically once your library is frozen don't upload major changes to > unstable until the release. If you know what you are doing and fully > understand the issues involved you can actually get away with a fair > bit more, but if you sc

Re: Two debconf issues

2001-05-03 Thread Jules Bean
On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 05:00:29PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > Wolfgang Sourdeau wrote: > > > It might happen if there was a good reason, but nobody has suggested one > > > yet. > > > I doubt there is one. > > > > I have one. It's that dependency on perl makes owners of 486 machines die > > of an h

Re: Gnome bug 94684

2001-04-30 Thread Jules Bean
On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 07:04:52PM +0200, Christian Marillat wrote: > >>>> "CW" == Colin Walters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > CW> Jules Bean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Programs shouldn't gratuitously break configurations whic

Re: Gnome bug 94684

2001-04-27 Thread Jules Bean
On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 12:08:31PM +0200, Christian Marillat wrote: > "TB" == Thomas Bushnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > TB> I'm perfectly happy for him to just do (3). But what he wants to do > TB> instead is declare real bugs non-bugs, on the grounds that he "can do > TB> nothing". If h

Re: KDE2 - nice demolition job ...

2000-09-13 Thread Jules Bean
On Mon, Sep 11, 2000 at 10:01:11PM -0700, Debian Linux User wrote: [snip] > > Please read: http://nm.debian.org > > > > -- > > Raul > > > > Oh well, at least nobody can say, "Well, nobody ever said anything ... ". > I tried. Well, what, exactly? Would you mind actually telling us what you

Re: apt-get and proxy

2000-09-13 Thread Jules Bean
On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 07:55:11AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > Hello, > > I'm in real trouble with apt-get and a squid proxy. First of all > I found out that in contrast to the manual of apt.conf the environment > variables > > ~# set | grep proxy > ftp_proxy=http://wr-linux01.rki.de:3128/ > h

Re: Debian and KDE

2000-09-07 Thread Jules Bean
On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 12:51:23PM -0300, Ben Woodhead wrote: > >From the article I have read about debian Stand On KDE, which said that > debian would like to help kde get there license issues resolved so kde could > be put into debian. Perhaps, that was not the case, and debian just wanted > to k

Re: Problems with mail system? [Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown]

2000-09-07 Thread Jules Bean
On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 12:33:21PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Sep 07, Jason Gunthorpe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >This is just your standard lack of reverse DNS.. Part of the anti-spam > >bit. The sender needs to get working reverse DNS I suppose.. > Looks like a stupid check, to me. I

Re: Python 1.6 released and GPL incompatible

2000-09-06 Thread Jules Bean
On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 11:43:21AM +0200, Gregor Hoffleit wrote: > Still, if 1.6 were to replace 1.5.2, we had to check all packages that > depend on Python, if we think their license is still compatible with the > new Python license, and remove them if it's not. I'd opt against this. Yup, that

Re: debhelper or fakeroot problem?

2000-09-06 Thread Jules Bean
On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 05:51:28PM +0900, Atsuhito Kohda wrote: > From: Henrique M Holschuh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: debhelper or fakeroot problem? > Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 23:08:55 -0300 > > > On Wed, 06 Sep 2000, Atsuhito Kohda wrote: > > > dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: unable to find depend

Re: RFC: GUI tools for common Debian admin tasks

2000-09-06 Thread Jules Bean
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 06:24:28PM +0200, Frederic Peters wrote: > So I drew the conclusion that what Debian needs for those users is simple > GUI tools. [some will respond here with "we don't want those users" and I > won't agree. This flamewar already happened. GUI tools doesn't mean you > have

Re: (Beware helix packages) Re: [CrackMonkey] The right to bare legs

2000-09-06 Thread Jules Bean
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 02:00:42AM -0500, Joseph Carter wrote: > On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 11:54:05PM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: > > > Software has bugs, it's a fact of life. New software is more likely to > > > have unknown bugs that affect more people. What makes the Helix packages > > > so nice is

Re: imap mailbox killer

2000-08-31 Thread Jules Bean
On Thu, Aug 31, 2000 at 07:32:17AM -0400, Buddha Buck wrote: > > commands. So having extremely long X-Keywords in mail messages > > will screw things up. Double yuck. > > > > This is in imap-4.7c/src/osdep/unix/unix.c BTW. > > > > See the original message and the accompanying thread in debian-dev

Re: Strange messages...

2000-08-30 Thread Jules Bean
On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 04:17:42AM -0400, Dale Scheetz wrote: > Since my last upgrade to potato I've been getting a lot of messages like > the following: > > DEBUG: --Relation pg_rules-- > DEBUG: Pages 0: Changed 0, Reapped 0, Empty 0, New 0; Tup 0: Vac 0, > Keep/VTL 0/0, Crash 0, UnUsed 0, MinL

Re: FW: Firewall Project

2000-08-21 Thread Jules Bean
dless to say, there is no 'limitation' of Linux in this respect --- a Linux firewall can be configured to forward and/or rewrite packets in any way desired. Jules -- Jules Bean |Any sufficiently advanced [EMAIL PROTECTED]| technology is indistinguishable [EMAIL PROTECTED] | from a perl script

Re: Compare .deb file to filesystem

2000-08-21 Thread Jules Bean
This shouldn't be necessary, it should be simple enough to dpkg-deb -x the deb, then go through each file, comparing size and then contents (with `cmp'). Jules -- Jules Bean |Any sufficiently advanced [EMAIL PROTECTED]| technology is indistinguishable [EMAIL PROTECTED] | from a perl script

Compare .deb file to filesystem

2000-08-21 Thread Jules Bean
This would be very easy to implement, so I thought I'd see if anyone else has already done it. I'd like a utility which takes a .deb file, another version of which is already installed. It checks (presumably by file size and md5sum) for all differences between the files on the file system, and the

Re: NMU's completely removed from kaffe in woody

2000-08-18 Thread Jules Bean
that have little or no basis. > > Professionalism is what I did. I fixed the package, and made comments for > the maintainer. A simple request to do this yourself is not vindictive nor > unprofessional. Me having to do your job...now that makes you > unprofessi

Re: Implementing "testing" (was: Re: Potato now stable)

2000-08-18 Thread Jules Bean
On Fri, Aug 18, 2000 at 09:26:34PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > Another reason to run unstable is to live on the actual bleeding edge: > testing will always be around two weeks out of date. That can be a fair > while, if you're impatient. > > Supporting this, there's some Apt changes in CVS th

Re: Implementing "testing" (was: Re: Potato now stable)

2000-08-18 Thread Jules Bean
On Thu, Aug 17, 2000 at 10:17:30PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > Automated Process? > ~~ > So pretty much all the policy is encoded in some "automated process" > which updates testing. It works at the moment, basically as follows: > > 1. First, it loads up all the Sources and

Re: Broken bootable SPARC CD#1, and why this happened

2000-08-18 Thread Jules Bean
On Thu, Aug 17, 2000 at 04:10:53PM +0100, Philip Hands wrote: > It's almost impossible to remember all the little things that might go > wrong as well, so encapsulating that knowledge in a regression test > suit is definitely the way to go. In which vein, it might be helpful to have test machines

Re: [Possibly Clueless] Deb base ISO images

2000-08-18 Thread Jules Bean
On Tue, Aug 15, 2000 at 02:26:33PM +0100, Chris Ball wrote: > Hi, to all, and congrats on the potato release. > > I've been browsing cdimage. Do we release a base system as a 30/40-ish meg > ISO that can network to enable apt handling retrieval of anything else? One > would be really useful to me,

Re: Debian and GNOME, partnership with Helixcode?

2000-03-22 Thread Jules Bean
s approaching, we'd like to have some .debs on gnome.org, could you provide them?'. Jules -- Jules Bean |Any sufficiently advanced [EMAIL PROTECTED],jellybean.co.uk} | technology is indistinguishable [EMAIL PROTECTED] | from a perl script

Re: Debian and GNOME, partnership with Helixcode?

2000-03-21 Thread Jules Bean
.2 or 2.0) you want debian packages, the place to bug is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jules -- Jules Bean |Any sufficiently advanced [EMAIL PROTECTED],jellybean.co.uk} | technology is indistinguishable [EMAIL PROTECTED] | from a perl script

Re: ITP: GOB [Was: Re: GOB package?]

2000-03-21 Thread Jules Bean
; > The license is GPL. This would be mildy convenient for me, since the next major release of balsa may require, or simply prefer, GOB, to build. [*sigh* why not just blasted use C++] Jules -- Jules Bean |Any sufficiently advanced [EMAI

Re: Non-Debian Debian Packages (maelstrom and libsdl)

2000-03-21 Thread Jules Bean
iner of maelstrom I'm rather concerned. I will now > contact this "maintainer". Well, be polite. There's nothing wrong with sam (or someone he knows) doing unofficial debs of hist software. If I were you, I'd just make him aware of the duplication of effort. Jul

Re: Free Documentation License

2000-03-11 Thread Jules Bean
y say is fine. But I didn't look closely yet]. Jules -- Jules Bean |Any sufficiently advanced [EMAIL PROTECTED],jellybean.co.uk} | technology is indistinguishable [EMAIL PROTECTED] | from a perl script

Re: spamblocking the lists

2000-03-09 Thread Jules Bean
On Wed, Mar 08, 2000 at 03:28:37PM -0500, Joe Block wrote: > Jules Bean wrote: > > > > On Wed, Mar 08, 2000 at 10:45:07AM +0100, Nils Jeppe wrote: > > > On Wed, 8 Mar 2000, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > > > > > > > > Can we please close the list

Re: magnetic synchronous motor water pumps

2000-03-08 Thread Jules Bean
On Wed, Mar 08, 2000 at 02:43:37PM +0100, Nils Jeppe wrote: > On Wed, 8 Mar 2000, Jules Bean wrote: > > > Making valid and useful actions impossible is not the way to fight > > spam. To fight spam, our spam-masters work quite hard to block open > > relays, etc. > >

Re: Intent to package: src2tex

1999-05-26 Thread Jules Bean
Takao KAWAMURA wrote: > Licence: > > Permission to use, copy, and modify this software and its > documentation is granted under no conditions. > > I will upload it to master in a few days. "..is granted under no conditions" reads like 'is not granted'. I.e., there are no conditions under which

Re: An 'ae' testimony (SUMMARY)

1999-05-26 Thread Jules Bean
Jules Bean wrote: > > I don't want to start a flame-war, so be gentle.. Oh well. I did, anyhow. > > I was just mindlessly (in a tongue-in-cheek way) evangalising Debian on > a mailing list I'm on, and I got a private response from a SuSE user. > He had installed

An 'ae' testimony

1999-05-21 Thread Jules Bean
I don't want to start a flame-war, so be gentle.. I was just mindlessly (in a tongue-in-cheek way) evangalising Debian on a mailing list I'm on, and I got a private response from a SuSE user. He had installed Debian from a CD (he didn't say which version, I'm afraid) and 'vi fstab' to mount his o

Re: (LONG) Correct non-US solution

1999-05-21 Thread Jules Bean
Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: > > On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 08:26:21AM -0500, Richard Kaszeta wrote: > > Note that CTAN recently has split their archive into main and non-free > > trees based upon licenses like we do. :) > > Yes, I've noticed it. > > What criteria do they use? The DFSG? The OSD?

Re: jdk not working in potato, working jdk removed from incoming, license problem

1999-05-18 Thread Jules Bean
"Seth M. Landsman" wrote: > > > Basically, we're in BLATANT violation of the license currently. It states > > quite clearly that redistribution is prohibited. So, plain and simple, > > we're shit out of luck. As someone else pointed out, Kaffe is just as > > good, with better response. But either

Re: jdk not working in potato, working jdk removed from incoming, license problem

1999-05-17 Thread Jules Bean
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Hi > > I am given to understand that someone has found a problem in the license of > jdk, to the point that same person finds that debian cannot distribute the jdk > at all. I was told that the problem found in the license has existed for a > long time. > > If this i

[Fwd: New nonfree/ hierarchy on CTAN]

1999-05-12 Thread Jules Bean
CTAN are adopting Debian's definition of free software! (Follow the links in this article, which was <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in comp.text.tex yesterday) Jules (Any replies for me to read, Cc: I haven't (yet) resubscribed to -devel) Robin Fairbairns wrote: > > The CTAN team have been concerned, fo

Re: libg[dt]k-1.1.so.13? (was gnome-apt)

1999-02-01 Thread Jules Bean
On Mon, 1 Feb 1999, Thomas Gebhardt wrote: > Hi, > > when I tried to have a look at gnome-apt_0.3_i386.deb > I found that it depends on several potato packages. > I tried to install as much as needed (well, as the deb dependencies > indicate) but still get some missing so dependencies: > > # gno

Re: suid-perl

1999-01-31 Thread Jules Bean
On Sun, 31 Jan 1999, Chip Salzenberg wrote: > According to Jules Bean: > > On Sun, 31 Jan 1999, Chip Salzenberg wrote: > > > Every OS has a different set of mount options that may or may not be > > > relevant to setuid security. I don't see what 'higher level

Re: suid-perl

1999-01-31 Thread Jules Bean
On Sun, 31 Jan 1999, Chip Salzenberg wrote: > > As it is, noexec is almost useless. I can't help thinking that > > *all* interpreters *should* check noexec status. > > What's the point? Such files can be copied to /tmp and run there If one were trying to secure such a system then you would

Re: suid-perl

1999-01-31 Thread Jules Bean
On Sun, 31 Jan 1999, Chip Salzenberg wrote: > > The code exists to check the mount options relevant to an open file. > It's just a Small Matter of Programming to integrate that into the > Perl source code, and disable emultation of setuid scripts when the > 'nosuid' mount option is set. But, then

Re: suid-perl

1999-01-31 Thread Jules Bean
On Sun, 31 Jan 1999, Chip Salzenberg wrote: > According to Michael Stone: > > Quoting Wichert Akkerman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > > What perl-suid should do is check the mountoptions for the filesystem on > > > which the script resides and abort if that was mounted with nosuid. > > > Should be quite

Re: GTK oops?

1999-01-31 Thread Jules Bean
On Sun, 31 Jan 1999, Jules Bean wrote: > On Sun, 31 Jan 1999, Jules Bean wrote: > > > Dear overworked gtk maintainer... > > > > Did you deliberately upload a version 1.1.14 of gtk1.1.13? Looks confused > > to me.. > > Doh! > > I'll shut up now

Re: GTK oops?

1999-01-31 Thread Jules Bean
On Sun, 31 Jan 1999, Jules Bean wrote: > Dear overworked gtk maintainer... > > Did you deliberately upload a version 1.1.14 of gtk1.1.13? Looks confused > to me.. Doh! I'll shut up now. Lesson - read the c

GTK oops?

1999-01-31 Thread Jules Bean
Dear overworked gtk maintainer... Did you deliberately upload a version 1.1.14 of gtk1.1.13? Looks confused to me.. Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL

Re: Bug#32595: remove obsolete and confusing acquisition methods: harddisk, mounted, cdrom, nfs

1999-01-30 Thread Jules Bean
On 30 Jan 1999, Chris Walker wrote: > > [1]Useful in UK academia where you have a fast network connection to a > mirror site. In Uk academia, the most useful site is http://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/packages/debian J /+---+-\ | Jeli

Re: Bug#32595: remove obsolete and confusing acquisition methods: harddisk, mounted, cdrom, nfs

1999-01-30 Thread Jules Bean
On 31 Jan 1999, Martin Mitchell wrote: > 1) A m68k computer with a 60Mb debian installation. Normally I use the nfs > method. Apt is just not feasible, it wants to copy everything over before > it starts - there simply isn't space on the disk to do this. Also the > runtime cost of starting dpkg on

Re: Conflicts in libgtk*-dev

1999-01-30 Thread Jules Bean
On 30 Jan 1999, Ole J. Tetlie wrote: > *-Jules Bean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > | > | The fact that the *actual* libgtk1.1-dev package conflicts with > | libgtk-dev, does not mean that the package libgtk1.13-dev, which provides > | libgtk1.1-dev, must conflict with libgtk-dev

Re: Conflicts in libgtk*-dev

1999-01-30 Thread Jules Bean
On 30 Jan 1999, Ole J. Tetlie wrote: > *-Jules Bean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > | > | On 30 Jan 1999, Ole J. Tetlie wrote: > | > | > Am I overlooking something obvious here? > | > > | > libgtk1.1.13-dev provides libgtk-dev and libgtk1.1-dev > | > > | &g

Re: Conflicts in libgtk*-dev

1999-01-30 Thread Jules Bean
On 30 Jan 1999, Ole J. Tetlie wrote: > Am I overlooking something obvious here? > > libgtk1.1.13-dev provides libgtk-dev and libgtk1.1-dev > > but > > libgtk1.1-dev conflicts with libgtk-dev > > this means that gnome-apt refuses to install libgtk1.1.13-dev, > a package that I sorely need. Aren

Re: 2.1.125 source in slink - why?

1999-01-29 Thread Jules Bean
On Fri, 29 Jan 1999, Adrian Bridgett wrote: > dists/slink/main/binary-all/kernel-source-2.1.125 > > why?? and 2.0.33, 2.0.34, 2.0.35 > > 2.0.36 I can understand :-) 2.1.125 - because we needed it for sparc, so we uploaded the source. Jules /+---+---

Re: XFree86 3.3.2.3a-8pre9v6 at master.debian.org/~branden/xfree86

1999-01-29 Thread Jules Bean
On Fri, 29 Jan 1999, Santiago Vila wrote: > On Fri, 29 Jan 1999, Jules Bean wrote: > > > On Fri, 29 Jan 1999, Santiago Vila wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 28 Jan 1999, Brandon Mitchell wrote: > > > > > > > About the xfonts problem. I haven't been

Re: XFree86 3.3.2.3a-8pre9v6 at master.debian.org/~branden/xfree86

1999-01-29 Thread Jules Bean
On Fri, 29 Jan 1999, Santiago Vila wrote: > On Thu, 28 Jan 1999, Brandon Mitchell wrote: > > > About the xfonts problem. I haven't been following close enough to pardon > > my ignorance on the subject. What if we make the pseudo xbase package > > conflict with xfnt* packages < version x (a vers

Re: voting instructions on the web [was: PLEASE remember to vote!]

1999-01-28 Thread Jules Bean
On 28 Jan 1999, Gordon Matzigkeit wrote: > Hi! > > > Andreas Tille writes: > > AT> Sorry for my ignorance when deleting the mails under this topic. > AT> I was absend from the net for a longer time and couldn't read all > AT> my E-Mails. Please repeate the link where to vote for those li

Re: -rpath with libtool and Debian Linux

1999-01-27 Thread Jules Bean
On 27 Jan 1999, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jan 27, 1999, Jules Bean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> Since you do support -rpath in your system, you should probably extend > >> your dynamic linker to work in this case too, or risk taking the blame > >>

Re: -rpath with libtool and Debian Linux

1999-01-27 Thread Jules Bean
On 27 Jan 1999, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jan 27, 1999, Jules Bean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On 27 Jan 1999, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > [watch indenting carefully : I wrote this next bit, of course] > > In general, it is not useful to have multiple versi

Re: -rpath with libtool and Debian Linux

1999-01-27 Thread Jules Bean
On 27 Jan 1999, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > > > In normal cases the dymanic linker would figure this out one way or > > another with rpath this functionality is disabled as it overrides > > the library versioning scheme. > > > The linux dynamic linker will resolve things in some magical way based on

Re: -rpath with libtool and Debian Linux

1999-01-27 Thread Jules Bean
On 27 Jan 1999, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > > If you do want to be able to freely move libraries around, -rpath must > be forbidden. If -rpath is available for users, you can't move > libraries around and expect things to work. There are lots of things which users can do which might appear to wor

Re: -rpath with libtool and Debian Linux

1999-01-27 Thread Jules Bean
On 27 Jan 1999, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > > > The contract simply states that the library will be found. Which > > library is used can be determined by the linker. > > Except that, if you replace the library with an incompatible one, you > *are* breaking the contract. We don't replace libraries

Re: GNOME in potato needs slink libs

1999-01-27 Thread Jules Bean
On Wed, 27 Jan 1999, Ossama Othman wrote: > Hi Jules, > > > > Another quick question... > > > Why does potato's GNOME require slink's gtk/gnome/etc libs? > > > > Because potato is not yet a complete distribution, and should be > > 'overlayed' over slink? > > Ah, I see. I did a "clean" potato i

Re: -rpath with libtool and Debian Linux

1999-01-27 Thread Jules Bean
On 27 Jan 1999, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > > Having libtool default to -rpath is what's causing problems. > > This is IMHO completely backwards :-) > > When a program is linked with a shared library, a contract is > established between them stating that the library (or any newer but > compatible ve

Re: GNOME in potato needs slink libs

1999-01-27 Thread Jules Bean
On Wed, 27 Jan 1999, Ossama Othman wrote: > Hi guys, > > Another quick question... > Why does potato's GNOME require slink's gtk/gnome/etc libs? Because potato is not yet a complete distribution, and should be 'overlayed' over slink? /+---+---

Licenses for non-software works, and the definition of software, and , the new DFSG

1999-01-26 Thread Jules Bean
Hi, In response to an issue on -legal, I am reopening the debate on how free those parts of debian which are not software (or not precisely software) should be. IMO, this debate should be conducted on -policy, and I ask all replies to this message to trim the CC: line. This issue was discussed i

Re: New logo strategy

1999-01-26 Thread Jules Bean
On Tue, 26 Jan 1999, Daniel Martin wrote: > > If we are going to have a gimp.org done contest, I would like to see > that the rules allow people to use things that are not gimp, but that > are DFSG free software. I find the command-line pnm tools very useful > in manipulating images, and it woul

Re: New logo strategy

1999-01-26 Thread Jules Bean
On Mon, 25 Jan 1999, Steve Greenland wrote: > On 25-Jan-99, 19:06 (CST), Wichert Akkerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I agree with James Treacy's observation that we will probably need two > > logos: one logo with a liberal license that people can just freely, and > > another, more restricted

Re: dpkg --print-architecture [WAS: Release-critical Bugreport for January 25, 1999]

1999-01-25 Thread Jules Bean
On Mon, 25 Jan 1999, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: > On Mon, Jan 25, 1999 at 12:15:11AM -0600, BugScan reporter wrote: > > > Package: emacs20 (main) > > Maintainer: Rob Browning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > 28177 dpkg --print-architecture requires gcc > > > > > > Pac

Re: dpkg port to HP-UX

1999-01-25 Thread Jules Bean
On Mon, 25 Jan 1999, loic wrote: > Fabrizio Polacco wrote: > > > Now I have to evaluate packaging systems for that platform, and I would > > like to push a Free solution, a debian one specifically (because it's > > the best :-). > > We do think the same... (we do the same thing:) > I'm setting u

Re: filters: Licence problems

1999-01-24 Thread Jules Bean
On Sun, 24 Jan 1999, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: > On Sun, Jan 24, 1999 at 12:48:07PM -0600, David Welton wrote: > > (and it's 'humor' by the way;-))) > > humour is a perfectly valid word. Ask your nearest dictd with Webster > and Wordnet installed, for example. Humour is correct (in British

Re: Crypto software that *is* exportable from the USA

1999-01-24 Thread Jules Bean
On Sun, 24 Jan 1999, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > Previously Paul Sheer wrote: > > Also: there is no GPL secure shell (as far as I know). > > But people are working on that. From what I hear it's on the verge of > becoming useable. Don't ask me about the name, I always forget it. It's called psst.

Re: the Great X Reorganization, package splits, and renaming

1999-01-24 Thread Jules Bean
Umm.. I still think we're talking at cross-purpose. 1) xfonts-* C/R/P xfnt-*. Yes, I knew this was true. Yes, I knew Branden knew this :-) 2) Branden doesn't like xfnt-* hanging around. We agree. 3) However, if someone were to create xfnt-* packages which *Depend* on the corresponding xfont-

Re: the Great X Reorganization, package splits, and renaming

1999-01-23 Thread Jules Bean
On Sat, 23 Jan 1999, Steve Greenland wrote: > Why are we going to this trouble? If you want to rename package a1 to a2, > simply make a2 conflict and replace a1 -- dselect or dpkg will do > the rest. If you want to make 'upgrade' automatic, then you'll also > need to upload a new version of the a1

Re: the Great X Reorganization, package splits, and renaming

1999-01-23 Thread Jules Bean
On Sat, 23 Jan 1999, Raul Miller wrote: > ( > until dpkg --remove xfntwhatever; do > sleep 120 > done >/var/tmp/removexfntwhatever.log 2>&1 & > ) OK. We have three solutions suggested now: a) dummy packages (and live with them) b) dummy packages, which self-remove c)

Re: Unmet Deps revisted

1999-01-22 Thread Jules Bean
On Fri, 22 Jan 1999, Steve McIntyre wrote: > On Fri, 22 Jan 1999, Santiago Vila wrote: > > >Please note that a suboptimal packaging does not legitimate the conflict. > >For example, my unzip and unzip-crypt packages do conflict at each other, > >and they are optional, so I should probably make th

Re: Dpkg Update Proposal

1999-01-22 Thread Jules Bean
On Fri, 22 Jan 1999, Craig Sanders wrote: > the libgtk* versions are compatible with each other. the libgtk*-dev > versions, are not (it would be possible to make it so by installing > header files in /usr/include/gtk-VERSION, but you'd still have to modify > every source file that #included it. in

RE: KDE status?

1999-01-21 Thread Jules Bean
> > It's all available in the archives... Let's not start THAT discussion again, > > ok? > > Sure no problem. I had no intention of doing so. I was just curious as > to the status. There will be no argument from me, especially since I > agreed with Debian's stance on the matter. :) > Brief

Re: doc-base control file madness

1999-01-21 Thread Jules Bean
On 21 Jan 1999, Ben Gertzfield wrote: > > "Dale" == Dale Scheetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Ben> I've recently looked into the doc-base control file > Ben> format. It seems pretty sane, except I realized since it does > Ben> not provide for any macro expansion, I will have to

Re: packages.debian.org

1999-01-21 Thread Jules Bean
On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, James A. Treacy wrote: > On Wed, 20 Jan, 1999, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Given that from your description swish++ sounds like a general purpose > > indexer, which has been set up to index 'natural language' is it the best > > one > > for our purposes? > > > Once I removed

Re: mc bug? or i've not read the manuals

1999-01-21 Thread Jules Bean
On Thu, 21 Jan 1999, Tibor Koleszar wrote: > Hello, > > So, if you have a script with a setuid flag after you edit+save it in > mc's editor the flag will dissapear... > I dont know, but i think it's a bug. > Let me know if it is, and i'll report it. i've observed the same thing in emacs. Presum

Re: Debian v2.1 ("Slink") Deep Freeze

1999-01-19 Thread Jules Bean
On 19 Jan 1999, James Troup wrote: > Santiago Vila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Could somebody explain me, why, oh why, do we have to wait more than > > two months for trivial ftp.debian.org bugs to be fixed? > > Perhaps because the more you whine about it the more prone we are to > ignore

Re: Debian v2.1 ("Slink") Deep Freeze

1999-01-19 Thread Jules Bean
On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Santiago Vila wrote: > > Surely not? > > > > Surely the Replace/Provide/Conflict combination will make dselect pick the > > new ones? > > I'm sorry but I'm afraid this is not the case. > > I hate to say this, but please read the packaging manual and/or the policy > manual. I

Re: Debian v2.1 ("Slink") Deep Freeze

1999-01-19 Thread Jules Bean
On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Santiago Vila wrote: > On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Brandon Mitchell wrote: > > > On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Santiago Vila wrote: > > > > > Mmm, what about the needed compatibility packages? > > > Will you have some time for this? > > > > > > I think it is absolutely essential for the su

Re: Comments on Debian packages and installation

1999-01-18 Thread Jules Bean
On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Anthony Towns wrote: [Thanks to anthony for a concrete list] > > Some of the other packages in this situation: > > rsync suggests ssh > > inn suggests pgp > kbackup suggests pgp > kbackup-doc suggests pgp (the documentation for KBackup) > tm s

autoconf/aclocal.m4/gtk-config issues - RF information

1999-01-18 Thread Jules Bean
Hi all, I've seen the edges of a few flamewars associated with autoconf/configure style scripts, and I'm wondering if anyone can point me to (or provide me with) arguments covering the following points: Given a 3rd-party library A, which includes header files, and a 3rd-party program B, which use

Re: I propose

1998-10-19 Thread Jules Bean
--On Mon, Oct 19, 1998 12:59 pm +0200 daville <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Good morning, > >I'm a student in a french engineering school and I develop an > application of mathematics. The problem is: I'would like what are > requirements for including this application in one of Linux > distr

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