hat'd be extra great.
Thanks,
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| prove your case. Well, here it is."
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> open bugs but I currently lack the time to throw them all matching
> togeather.
Can you please file an ITA about this into the BTS? Or if you cannot
maintain it for the time being, even an "O:"?
This way, this mail will not be lost.
See http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/ for details.
-
, that decision gets respected, with only one exception
I can recollect. But again, in the majority of cases, some solution can
be found in constructive talks, and that's preferable anyway.
The cases where there's really some good candidate to take over and the
maintainer is not willing
provided that this potential GSoC
student's ideas on the subject are not too far away from what I have in
mind.
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ults to migrate, along with
packages like abiword and gnucash. I'm disinclined to remove python2.3
from unstable just yet, because that might block a new revision of (for
example) abiword coming into etch via unstable.
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to not create
tarfiles which in the past have caused issues for certain programs while
there's a perfectly fine way to create tarfiles which cannot trigger
such bugs.
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e is no reason a user should (need to) add stable security for
his/her unstable machine.
Elsewhere in this thread there's already discussion about the technical
details why it didn't happen yet in this case and how it should happen,
I'm not repeating that discussion here.
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hasn't been approved yet for stable[1], so neither propagated to
testing/unstable.
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the newer policy. This is to be resolved as soon as possible, but might
take a bit longer still.
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> > prevails over any conflicting or additional terms of any quote,
> > order, acknowledgment, or other communication between the
> > parties relating to its subject matter during the term of this
>
en once. I'm not sure here though, I don't
think it's needed as the majority of the code can be in the package
providing depmod.
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process).
Your alternative (1) proposal is also more complicated to get done, and
does not allow users to have bash as /bin/sh, but still the bootup time
improvements. Without this possibility, I'm myself at least not in
favour of going this way at all.
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an smtp listener. If it's only running queues and providing the
/usr/sbin/sendmail interface, you cannot possibly be a mail relay, since
nothing even listens on port 25. The configuration file to edit for this
is /etc/default/exim4
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r, so cannot be anything else than rejected. You can of course
re-upload to NEW with a higher version number.
Anyway, the .orig.tar.gz is now restored and should be on your local
mirror around nowish.
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'mailman_2.1.7:2.1.8rc1-1_sparc.changes'.
I've got no idea (yet) what this means, but looks like a funky
signature. Since this is the first time I see this, I guess the problem
is on your end.
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it matter whether you can confirm the change
was made $long_ago, or perhaps just not documented and might be made
unmentioned later on).
I don't see why one would drop such historical information, even if only
interesting for just that -- historical information.
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me -- however, libfoo1 will remain available,
even lacking such upload.
N.B.: Such questions are easier to answer (less guessing needed w.r.t.
missing information) given a real example.
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forums questions is somewhere in between #debian IRC and
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issues. People should post at the place where they feel most comfortable
with.
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NEW accepts per day, but there's still plenty of room in each day to do
a lot of NEW. The bigger bottleneck is simply human processing time.
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> have made a difference.
That's quite leaping to conclusion. Ondrej's mail was inquiring about
one specific package, not inquiring about the NEW backlog. There have
been numerous mails since inquiring about specific packages, which did
get a reply. This one apparantly just slipped.
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> a solution for personal/communication problems.
I think this is a DPL task[1], and I've committed to do it if elected.
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but hasn't been asked for one either
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your coding style, it looks the same to the eye, so has the best of both
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P.S.: Can we please not go this way?
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ordinary. If you're sufficiently committed to a certain
package, you can just as well adopt it after all.
Also, I am wondering how much success such a 'common maintained packages
team' would have while there is a shortage of people caring for general
QA of orphaned packages or just
is
happens to be what's happing now, actually. It'd be nice if QA's
debcheck could be extended to detect circular dependencies and list
them. Let's start by filing a wishlist bug on qa.debian.org for that :).
#347676
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g seem to have got
> these two mixed up as well not to mention the Debian pool which
> has them in the same directory.
>
> I don't subscribe to -devel yet so please reply to me directly as
> well.
#339578. Still waiting for the maintainer or hijacker to repair this.
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For the full discussion leading up to this, please start at
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00796.html
To repeat myself from
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg01066.html:
On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 03:45:51PM +0100, Jeroen van Wolffelaar wrote:
] I don't th
lts updated live,
rather than only after a delay. I think it'd be good to representative
polls on a reasonably regularly basis -- close to the same
representativeness, and stil much much more lighter than a GR, so easier
to just do when some people feel a more clear idea of what the average
DD th
and never received a reply.
>
> Jeroen van Wolffelaar wrote:
> > While you indeed haven't got a later mail, you also didn't ask for one
> > to the best of my knowledge (my memory isn't infallible, so I might be
> > wrong, if so, I'm sorry, please correct
ut
only RC bugs being candidates for NMU. Of course, on a typical BSP,
those RC bugs are the focus, but especially bugs that will become RC in
the future are worthwhile NMU candidates too.
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On Thu, Dec 15, 2005 at 05:54:34PM +0100, A Mennucc wrote:
> Jeroen van Wolffelaar wrote:
>
> >On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 11:08:52AM +0100, Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote:
> >
> >
> >That would have been me:
> >
> >http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/04/
nt/license issue
> is *not* evidence of someone doing a bad job. It is evidence of an
> incomplete job, which I think everyone, including the ftp-masters, would
> agree with.
Quite well put. I'm hoping to get a resolution on this matter in the not
too distant future (no guarantee
to simply drop it from mplayer (it
seemed as if those were not really needed at all for its function? At
least then the re-inclusion of it can be discussed later, while the
less-controversion bits are in the archive...).
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ppens with
looks-like-bulleted-but-isn't-bulleted stuff).
Only disadvantage I see is closing the door for even further expansions,
plus no selection for bullet mark, but that can be helped by writing .*,
.- and .+ instead. It will also allow to extend to .1 (for numbered) and
.o (for the o-bu
ing issues in the archive. If creating a better
interface for people to work on this is a part of achieving it, so be
it. I'll see whether I can hack up something together for this,
extending buildd.d.o/~jeroen/status.
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lf not interested at all), should
maybe mail to all arch-specific lists some request similar to Vince
Sanders' request[3] regarding classifying arm failures.
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[2] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/06/msg00674.html
kernel) differences between
the porter's machine and the buildd. If that is the case, indeed one
should contact the buildd administrator in question if more info is
needed, but generally, I'd expect porters to be able to know their
hardware well enough to find out what the issue is an
7;s fault, it's only a hunch.
I've filed #342619 on the strong suspicion something fishy is going on
in exim, even though I don't know for sure what's going on exactly.
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On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 12:24:32PM +0100, Frank Küster wrote:
> Jeroen van Wolffelaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Weird,
>
> fortunately not too weird - I just sent the same mail again, and this
> time it has been accepted.
Right, so transitional probably.
&g
error (the MAIL FROM:, RCPT TO:,
the HELO, simply what IP you're sending from, or whether it's maybe
transitional...).
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s problem has gained some unexpected urgency because I was kicked
> off the PTS due to these bounces (I think so, I haven't been shown one
> of the PTS bounces). On the other hand, it rules out my .procmailrc
> on master as an error source (because PTS mail gets sent to
>
ng.d.o still is. But yes, they used to be the same and will
again become the same.
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do so objectively.
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On Thu, Nov 10, 2005 at 03:23:08PM -0800, Chip Salzenberg wrote:
> Branden Robinson, the DPL, is aware of this organizational failure. But he
> has done nothing effective to repair it. He has suggested that another DD,
> Jeroen van Wolffelaar, has the authority to make keyring changes
act on it appropriately.
Thank you for your contribution (bugreports are also contributions in a way)
to Debian!
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On Sat, Oct 15, 2005 at 05:39:06PM +0200, Henning Makholm wrote:
> Scripsit Jeroen van Wolffelaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > No, you misunderstand. Bastian means that if some binary packages are only
> > built on some archs, not including the one the upload is taking place
atus update though. Be
assured that both the release team and the FTP team are very well aware of the
desirability to include amd64 as soon as reasonably possible in the archive --
the release team has made its inclusion a "release blocker"[1] even.
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es and for binary packages.
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differ what binary packages they produce based on the architecture
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in why. This didn't happen here, my fault -- a large scale
change didn't get completed, and hence not announced properly for the part
that did get completed either yet.
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p-environment::gnome && !type::game"
(pseudo-syntax).
The main things that this thread shows me, is that it is *not* immediately
clear to people not too familiar with Debian that the removal of the 'gnome'
package will not have *any* effect on what actual software is actuall
y is the way to go IMHO.
It can be automated too if really needed if you make sure to output specific
markers before & after the tests run.
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t least be
beneficial to at least document such security issues, by informing security
team, filing an RC bug on your own package, and mentioning the CVE ID (or at
the very least, a short description of the bug fixed) in your changelog entry.
Thanks,
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andling, new source package names will soon make the package go to NEW too,
even though there already exists a binary package by that name. That the new
source package name already exists as binary package name is quite
exceptional, but in this case indeed it matters.
Thanks,
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ble in the second half of a release cycle, but doing it really
last-minute seems unwise to me.
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tual
package building) can do without root privileges, and pbuilder will drop root
appropriately in that stage, and use (by default) fakeroot where needed. See
the BUILDSOURCEROOTCMD="fakeroot" configuration entry in /etc/pbuilderrc.
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> planning real-life meetings b) day-to-day user support/breakage
> documentation c) release planning. Locking it long threatens to be
> disruptive.
wiki.debian.net is read/write again, when conversion has been fleshed out,
it'll be done on an updated dump.
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On Sat, Sep 03, 2005 at 02:10:57PM +0200, Jeroen van Wolffelaar wrote:
> But anyway, what's needed is someone who uses some perl (or whatever) magic
> on that tarball, to get moin-compatible data/pages files that can be
> unpacked in the wiki.debian.org installation by a DSA me
ly would really like to see this transition happen
smoothly, because the longer it takes, the harder it will get.
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Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 17:56:36 +0200
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Cc: Matthias Klose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
prefer that over making the makefile harder to read by conforming to
arcane POSIXisms.
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On Sat, Aug 13, 2005 at 01:40:04PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> Le vendredi 12 ao?t 2005 ? 18:32 +0200, Jeroen van Wolffelaar a ?crit :
> > > 1. The system warns that the bug tracking system contains patches,
> > > but there aren't any bugs with patch
subdomains of qa.debian.org
Thanks for the feedback, if you like, you can still report the first of the
three points as bug. And if you have suggestions to clarify in the PTS about
the second point being 3rd party output... go ahead :).
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r it
to go on under the label of xpilot in my opinion.
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e let -qa know if this still persists a few days after britney is
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Basicly, when it's ready^W^W someone gets around to it.
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main/update-kernel ./'.
So all cases are explained by this or by the woody-proposed-updates
thingy.
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-proposed-updates got dropped because there is no more point
release of woody, so the proposed-updates of it simply are no longer
relevant.
Any files missing from other Packages files than these? If so, please
list the Packages file that has a broken reference to a certain .deb.
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Comments?
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27;build-essential' package itself is not build-essential, it's a
helper package depending 'accidently' on all build-essential packages.
In the context of build-depends, a dependency on 'build-essential' is
essentially a no-op, but this isn't catched by the above-mentioned
lintian check.
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sting packages in the correct
section.
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versioned depends
on all build essential packages is already implied by policy, and as
such it's only cruft on the build-depends line (but it doesn't hurt, so
it's merely a cosmetic issue).
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24 hours, and that was also around a week ago).
The current policy version is 3.6.2, your package has 3.6.1. The notice
is correct.
$ grep ^Standard /org/ftp.debian.org/ftp/pool/main/c/cacti/cacti_0.8.6e-1.dsc
Standards-Version: 3.6.1
$
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[1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-anno
; Since version 3.6.2 of the Debian Policy was just released, Anibal (my
> sponsor) had me update the package to reflect the new version prior to
> uploading. Is the PTS just not caught up yet?
Yeah, indeed. Should be fixed in about 12 hours from now, when all
pages have updated.
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ame thread. This thread is running in circles...
I hope everything has been said by now so people can move on with the
C++ transition and such :)?
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On Mon, Jun 13, 2005 at 12:34:21PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> Jeroen van Wolffelaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
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> > The above is a bit sparce on details of what exactly is the issue here.
> > debian-installer builds use udeb's, and work is underway to n
and used in the initrd's? That's indeed a
point, but not (much) different from the static linking issue we're
already facing with any normal library in Debian -- there is a
copy-on-compile, so the library that was staticly linked to, might move
on and gain new source lines/drop them.
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d indeed this is a terrible hack I certainly won't
suggest -- your package fails with a reasonably sensible error message
(kernel modules not supported) now, rather than just dependency issues
which make it unclear at first for potential what type of porting issue
is over here.
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ou wish you can put your name in the Maintainer: field -- and seek
someone who's more familiar with CJK fonts to help you. Anthony Fok
unfortunately seems too busy to help actively, and has expressed his
consent with interested people taking over one of his packages.
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quires generally more knowledge of the architecture in
question rather than knowledge of the package, and for maintainers it's
often really unmotivating to (need to) hunt down porting issues on
architectures they might never even have seen hardware of, rather than
fixing for example usability iss
On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 02:56:08PM +0200, Jeroen van Wolffelaar wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 06, 2005 at 11:52:22PM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> > I am wondering what the deal is with Luca and his packages,
> > specifically httperf.
>
> Yeah, I'm about to orphan his packag
to it yet, thanks for
nothing though!
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as they maybe could are always appreciated, but just
complaining about being doomed with Canonical ruling Debian, or
something like that, is not constructive at all, rather, it'll only hurt
cooperation. And isn't cooperation one of the founding reasons for the
Open Source movement, th
's only in the chroot, which I
didn't check right now, as root in a chroot you can break out and be
root on the host system.
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packages targetted for a stable release -- whatever any general group
like QA or release management does, if a maintainer for example fixes a
self-discovered RC-bug without actually filing it and ringing any bells
anywhere that an freeze-exception is needed, how can anyone detect this
and act on it? We do have maintainers for a reason.
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nsistency in comments. But it's not needed.
For here, I'd be happy if Ola could sponsor you, regardless, no new
upload needed before sarge releases.
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her -- the package probably ultimately gets removed then.
I do plan to start up a more structural package checking effort after
Sarge is released, hopefully addressing at least part of your concerns.
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On Sun, May 22, 2005 at 11:21:45PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> Martin Michlmayr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
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> > * Jeroen van Wolffelaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-05-20 11:48]:
> >> One could decide to let RM: bugs on ftp.d.o always linger a certain
>
new version of
the unrar that was in woody to sarge.
Thanks,
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Of course, also wnpp-alert in devscripts could gain support for this, in
that case.
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cope with this issue somewhat
heuristically is a sign of that the bin-NMU issue is deeper.
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out it (I now know),
to prevent cases of premature hijacking.
Thanks for noticing and taking care for now of syslog-ng!
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east that's what I used when switching from pine to mutt...
>
> Does that actually offer the "pine experience" though?
Could you all please discuss this type of stuff on -legal, not on
-devel, the technical discussion list?
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le can NMU his packages (as
one can do always) to fix bugs that are annoying people.
Shiju, can you please reply to my mail from March 30?
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On Sun, May 08, 2005 at 11:26:34PM -0400, Bruno Barrera C. wrote:
> On Mon, 2005-05-09 at 00:24 +0200, Jeroen van Wolffelaar wrote:
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> > Your latest comment in #259581 is completely different from this --
> > please keep the relevant wnpp bug in the loo
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