tag2upload progress report (was Re: Pythonista wanted for help with tag2upload testing)

2025-05-13 Thread Ian Jackson
ad needed. > No actual programming involved - unless you want to :-). We now have two volunteers, which should be ample. Thanks to Xiyue Deng and Matthias Urlichs. Ian. From: Ian Jackson To: tag2upload beta programme enquirers:; CC: Sean Whitton Bcc: ... Subject: tag2upload beta progra

Pythonista wanted for help with tag2upload testing

2025-05-12 Thread Ian Jackson
fairly quickly, to retain momentum, so availability relatively soon would be good. We don't think this is a very difficult problem, but neither Sean or I are sufficiently into Python that we're confident of our ground. Hence the request for help. Thanks, Ian. We'll be sending a ve

Bug#1101448: ITP: intel-lpmd -- Intel Low Power Mode Daemon (lpmd) is a Linux daemon designed to optimize active idle power.

2025-03-27 Thread Colin Ian King
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Colin Ian King X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, colin.i.k...@gmail.com * Package name: intel-lpmd Version : v0.0.9 Upstream Contact: rui.zh...@intel.com * URL : https://github.com/intel/intel-lpmd * License

Thanks for sqv in apt

2025-01-10 Thread Ian Jackson
an be the capable but boring operating system that just works, giving our users across the world a system that serves *their* interests, and helps them get shit done. Best wishes and a belated happy new year. Ian. [1] Currently, I'm doing final pre-merge tests on this 73-commit MR which impl

Bug#1078744: ITP: qatengine -- Intel® QuickAssist Technology OpenSSL* Engine

2024-08-15 Thread Colin Ian King
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Colin Ian King X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, colin.i.k...@gmail.com * Package name: qatengine Version : 1.6.1 Upstream Contact: Yogaraj Alamenda * URL : https://github.com/intel/QAT_Engine * License : BSD

Bug#1078740: ITP: qatzip -- Compression Library accelerated by Intel® QuickAssist Technology

2024-08-15 Thread Colin Ian King
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Colin Ian King X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, colin.i.k...@gmail.com * Package name: qatzip Version : 1.2.0 Upstream Contact: xinghong.c...@intel.com * URL : https://github.com/intel/QATzip * License : BSD

Re: Package marked for autoremoval due to closed bug? [and 1 more messages]

2024-03-21 Thread Ian Jackson
Ian Jackson writes ("Re: Package marked for autoremoval due to closed bug? [and 1 more messages]"): > Steve, could you please do this for *all* the time_t transition RC > bugs? IMO things are currently ON FIRE. If no-one else has put this fire out by 24h from now, I will attem

Re: Package marked for autoremoval due to closed bug? [and 1 more messages]

2024-03-19 Thread Ian Jackson
rc:dpkg isn't migrating because of #1066952. The logic of the autoremoval system is that as an affected maintainer I ought to go and involve myself with #1066952. And all of this is nonsense since surely we're not going to autorm git-buildpackage, but right now we have a giant klaxo

Re: Proper handling of Lintian warnings due to other packages

2024-02-01 Thread Ian Campbell
s or individual packages which you are interested in, which includes an option for receiving BTS traffic. Ian.

debvm for autopkgtests with multiple host?

2023-09-23 Thread Ian Jackson
hanks, Ian. [1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2023/01/msg00059.html https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=908274 [2] https://salsa.debian.org/helmutg/debvm/-/blob/main/debian/tests/control -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. Pronouns: they/he. If I emailed you

Re: Potential MBF: packages failing to build twice in a row

2023-08-15 Thread Ian Campbell
On Sun, 2023-08-13 at 22:59 +0200, Timo Röhling wrote: > There's talk on #d-python if pybuild could/should deal with it; I'd > give it a few days and see if that pans out. https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/tools/dh-python/-/merge_requests/46 seems to be the one to watch. Ian.

Bug#1041315: ITP: ipp-crypto -- Intel(R) Integrated Performance Primitives Cryptography

2023-07-17 Thread Colin Ian King
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Colin Ian King X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, colin.i.k...@gmail.com * Package name: ipp-crypto Version : 2021.8 Upstream Contact: Andrey Matyukov * URL : https://github.com/intel/ipp-crypto * License

Re: Multi-host networking software, autopkgtests

2023-01-11 Thread Ian Jackson
Ian Jackson writes ("Re: Multi-host networking software, autopkgtests"): > For now I'm working on an adhoc thing that uses > - Restrictions: needs-root > - overlayfs to make an editable clone of the fs provided by autopkgtest > - chroot > - ip netns > - a

Re: Multi-host networking software, autopkgtests

2023-01-07 Thread Ian Jackson
gtest - chroot - ip netns - apt-mark and apt-autoremove to get rid of unwanted deps It's not particularly pretty but it's not much code and I feel I'm making progress. I'll report back here when I've succeeded - or failed :-). Thanks, Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese op

Re: propose: provide "docker" package as docker, not wmdocker

2023-01-06 Thread Ian Jackson
me and then upload the new package with dgit, it's necessary to ask a dgit repo admin to do special by hand adjustments. etc. This all seems like it could do with a checklist that we can at least add things to each time we discover a brokenness we should have avoided... Ian. -- I

Re: Multi-host networking software, autopkgtests

2023-01-06 Thread Ian Jackson
al" thing ought to be. I think therefore that I need to pursue some kind of within-testbed nesting, as an interim approach at the very least. I was hoping that someone else had solved (part of) this problem already... Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. Pronouns: they/he.

Multi-host networking software, autopkgtests

2023-01-06 Thread Ian Jackson
evant packages needed for any of the two test nodes and the setup scripts; in each node, unshare the namespaces enough that I can run apt; manually uninstall the not-needed dependencies, and run apt autoremove. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. Pronouns: they/he. If I email

Re: Proposed `cargo-upstream` dpkg-buildpackage etc. build profile

2022-12-18 Thread Ian Jackson
Thanks to everyone for the comments and review. I have written things up on the wiki: https://wiki.debian.org/BuildProfile/upstream-cargo and added the entry here: https://wiki.debian.org/BuildProfileSpec Please comment here, if you think any of this doesn't make sense. Thanks

Re: Proposed `cargo-upstream` dpkg-buildpackage etc. build profile

2022-12-16 Thread Ian Jackson
Helmut Grohne writes ("Re: Proposed `cargo-upstream` dpkg-buildpackage etc. build profile"): > On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 11:44:34PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > > I'm not sure precisely how this feature could (or should) be made > > available to *all* application pack

Re: Proposed `cargo-upstream` dpkg-buildpackage etc. build profile

2022-12-15 Thread Ian Jackson
ependencies, it is a lot easier to cause a build to run without the stated build deps being satisfied, than it is to do violence to the package build system. This could be made easier. Maybe tools like sbuild could have a sepaarate option to disregard build deps matching a wildcard pattern, or something. I am hoping to leave these considerations for the future. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. Pronouns: they/he. If I emailed you from @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Re: Proposed `cargo-upstream` dpkg-buildpackage etc. build profile

2022-12-15 Thread Ian Jackson
helpful for them So for now I'm proposing to add just the cargo one. If someone working with Node packages (say) tells me "we want this for npm too" then great and we should do that right away. Otherwise we should wait until ti's wanted. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opi

Re: Proposed `cargo-upstream` dpkg-buildpackage etc. build profile

2022-12-15 Thread Ian Jackson
f a narrow one specific to cargo, compared to a more general > "fetches-source-during-build" that would be suitable also for e.g. > NodeJS fetching npm modules? Wouter made the same point - I will reply there, to both the CC lists. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own

Proposed `cargo-upstream` dpkg-buildpackage etc. build profile

2022-12-15 Thread Ian Jackson
ofile would be available in most Debian packages containing Rust code, without package-specific work. Whether to implement such a feature is a matter for the maintainers of dh_cargo et al.; IMO the build profile registration is useful even ad-hoc, without any general feature. Ian. -- Ian Jackson

Bug#1024089: ITP: accel-config -- Utility for configuring the DSA subsystem for Linux

2022-11-14 Thread Colin Ian King
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Colin Ian King X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org * Package name: accel-config Version : 3.5.0 Upstream Author : Ramesh Thomas * URL : https://github.com/intel/idxd-config * License : LGPL-2.1 Programming

Re: Half the world being removed

2022-09-02 Thread Ian Jackson
Paul Gevers writes ("Re: Half the world being removed"): > On 02-09-2022 13:00, Ian Jackson wrote: > > I wonder if it would be possible to detect a sudden large increase in > > the number of autoremovals, and stop the autoremoval system instead of > > causing blar

Re: Comments on proposing NEW queue improvement (Re: Current NEW review process saps developer motivation

2022-09-02 Thread Ian Jackson
almost every developer.) This has upsides: I'm personally strongly aligned with ftpmaster's primary goals, and very supportive of most of their controversial decisions (especially, the ones about what counts as source code). But: the difficulties we have with ftpmaster are very deep-r

Re: Half the world being removed

2022-09-02 Thread Ian Jackson
s, and stop the autoremoval system instead of causing blaring klaxons for everyone in the project ? That might make the failures less disruptive. (And would avoid having everyone pile-on.) Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. Pronouns: they/he. If I emailed you from @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

mailman2-python3

2022-08-22 Thread Ian Jackson
table for experimental. Regards, Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. Pronouns: they/he. If I emailed you from @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

LTO and ABI compatibility

2022-07-19 Thread Ian Jackson
ss our codebase. If there are particular programs that would benefit from it, by all means enable it in those cases. Ian. [1] Assuming that the enum type is used in a relevant way. [2] If anyone doubts that the C specification is literally incomprehensible, observe, for example, the existence of

Re: secnet_0.6.2_multi.changes REJECTED

2022-04-11 Thread Ian Jackson
ce it's build system software which is designed to execute its input) - and that all only in the case where a second package in Debian uses subdirmk. It seemed me best to me to defer this work until subdirmk becomes more widely used. Thanks, Ian. [1] https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/ucgi/~ian

Re: proposed MBF: packages still using source format 1.0

2022-03-15 Thread Ian Jackson
ss, mostly because of symlinks. That would be pareto-better than 1.0-with-diff. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. Pronouns: they/he. If I emailed you from @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Re: proposed MBF: packages still using source format 1.0

2022-03-15 Thread Ian Jackson
ut of date since the closure of alioth, or perhaps that there isn't one. I hope thius clarifies. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. Pronouns: they/he. If I emailed you from @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Re: proposed MBF: packages still using source format 1.0

2022-03-15 Thread Ian Jackson
Ian Jackson writes ("Re: proposed MBF: packages still using source format 1.0"): > But I see now that the MBF has gone ahead anyway. > > I spent some time trying to help by setting out the factual > background, but it seems that Debian is not interested in facts. I >

Re: proposed MBF: packages still using source format 1.0

2022-03-15 Thread Ian Jackson
Ian Jackson writes ("Re: proposed MBF: packages still using source format 1.0"): > Sean Whitton writes ("Re: proposed MBF: packages still using source format > 1.0"): > > [questions] ... > > The situation here is complicated. > > > The tl;dr is

Re: proposed MBF: packages still using source format 1.0

2022-03-09 Thread Ian Jackson
urse. That is not an unalloyed benefit, though, because it means that when diff/patch improve we can accidentally generate source packages that earlier versions can't extract - a compatibility hazard. Changes not representable by diff is what Sean is talking about here: > Ian has some cases

Re: ftpmaster review reply Re: Comments regarding chroma_1.18-1_multi.changes

2021-03-02 Thread Ian Jackson
I think it is fine to accept to main indeed. However, I > would like the opinion of a more experienced ftp team member. So I've > removed the internal note I'd put on the package in NEW, so that someone > else can more readily take a look. Thanks. I see this has been ACC

Re: New service: https://debuginfod.debian.net

2021-02-27 Thread Ian Campbell
est of your mail (let me know if I'm wrong and you'd like a reply). Cheers, Ian

Re: New service: https://debuginfod.debian.net

2021-02-27 Thread Ian Campbell
On Sat, 2021-02-27 at 11:21 -0500, Sergio Durigan Junior wrote: > On Saturday, February 27 2021, Ian Campbell wrote: > > > > FWIW that would be my personal preference too (probably with some sort > > of cache, maybe once per library or executable or some granularity like

Re: New service: https://debuginfod.debian.net

2021-02-27 Thread Ian Campbell
hing like that myself and it seems like a awful lot of quite complex work I wouldn't want to try and insist (even if I had grounds too, which I'm sure I don't) someone else does that amount of work, so long as it is opt-in at the gross level. Ian.

Re: New service: https://debuginfod.debian.net

2021-02-26 Thread Ian Campbell
500, Sergio Durigan Junior wrote: > so a possible mitigation to this issue would be to have a debconf  > question asking whether the user wants to enable system-wide  > debuginfod usage or not. ... this sounds like the bare minimum that would be acceptable. Thanks, Ian.

ftpmaster review reply Re: Comments regarding chroma_1.18-1_multi.changes

2021-02-25 Thread Ian Jackson
source packages which we in Debian don't use or ship. [3] They do this for everyone's convenience and it causes no trouble. Until now :-/. I hope my explanation is sufficient to get this package accepted. Thanks, Ian. [1] I am replying here to ftpmaster comments on source packa

Re: New service: https://debuginfod.debian.net

2021-02-25 Thread Ian Campbell
Frank's original reply didn't make it to the list for some reason and has also gone missing on his end so resending on his request. On Wed, 2021-02-24 at 15:23 -0500, Frank Ch. Eigler wrote: --- Hi, Ian - ijc wrote: > [...] > What are the security implications for users/clien

Re: New service: https://debuginfod.debian.net

2021-02-24 Thread Ian Campbell
On Wed, 2021-02-24 at 16:58 +, Ian Campbell wrote: Ugh, sorry, the quoting seems to have gone quite wrong there, let me try again... > On Tue, 2021-02-23 at 22:53 -0500, Sergio Durigan Junior wrote: > Hello there, > > I would like to announce a new service that I have just conf

Re: New service: https://debuginfod.debian.net

2021-02-24 Thread Ian Campbell
bling this transparently. Thanks, Ian.

Bug#958806: ITP: cmake-format -- source code formatter for cmake listfiles

2020-04-25 Thread Ian Campbell
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Ian Campbell * Package name: cmake-format Version : 0.6.10 Upstream Author : Josh Bialkowski * URL : https://github.com/cheshirekow/cmake_format * License : GPL-3 Programming Lang: Python Description : source

Re: git-buildpackage to be autoremoved due to python2 transition

2020-02-26 Thread Ian Jackson
hink are brought in by pydoctor... Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

git-buildpackage to be autoremoved due to python2 transition

2020-02-26 Thread Ian Jackson
here. Thanks to Anthony Fok for fixing pydoctor but the py2 rot seems wider including in gbp itself. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

bootstrap.min.js in pydoctor

2020-02-25 Thread Ian Jackson
problem with epydoc should be easy if tedious to fix; I don't understand why it wants epydoc which I thought was obsolete but this is far from my field of expertise.) Regards, Ian.

Re: Bug email to Maintainer, not Uploader?

2020-02-22 Thread Ian Campbell
pted. (I've never used it, just spotted the reference from bts(1) when I went to check if it supported this sort of thing). Ian.

Re: Announcing miniDebConf Montreal 2020 -- August 6th to August 9th 2020

2020-02-20 Thread Ian Jackson
't feel the need to rebut it in detail in this thread. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Re: Announcing miniDebConf Montreal 2020 -- August 6th to August 9th 2020

2020-02-18 Thread Ian Jackson
reframes the debate in such a way that only the status quo can even be expressed. It was IMO completely appropriate for the Montreal team to make their position, and their actual motives, clear. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Re: [debian] git depency on git-man

2020-01-07 Thread Ian Jackson
bugs "patch". That would increase the chances of it appearing in the next upload. If the maintainer is overworked, perhaps they would appreciate an NMU. I haven't looked through the src:git bug list but perhaps there are other bugs with patches that could be applied. I will leave negotia

Re: difficulty in understanding options in init-system-GR

2019-12-09 Thread Ian Jackson
Ian Jackson writes ("Re: difficulty in understanding options in init-system-GR"): > Mo Zhou writes ("difficulty in understanding options in init-system-GR"): > > I went through the options in the init-system-GR[1] but I feel difficult > > to tell the subtle d

Re: d/changelog and experimental

2019-12-09 Thread Ian Jackson
the appropriate mechanism for your usual build and upload tools. Or you can just use dgit which gets this right automatically :-). Ian. [1] A workflow is possible where you use one git branch and just add a new changelog entry for each upload. Although our data formats would support uploads to a

Re: difficulty in understanding options in init-system-GR

2019-12-07 Thread Ian Jackson
n. If not, please let me know... Regards, Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Re: [RFC] Proposal for new source format

2019-11-08 Thread Ian Jackson
gregor herrmann writes ("Re: [RFC] Proposal for new source format"): > On Thu, 31 Oct 2019 11:59:07 +, Ian Jackson wrote: > > * tag2upload service, or some related service: > > - determines that the maintainer is using a dgit-compatible git > > workfl

Re: Integration with systemd

2019-10-31 Thread Ian Jackson
, it is OK to work to make it impossible to have this stuff in Debian, even if the software works" ? And, are we going to continue to wear people down with awful threads like this one, where a parade of doomsayers tell us we can't have what we want *even though it already exists and

Re: [RFC] Proposal for new source format

2019-10-31 Thread Ian Jackson
al-view-to-maintainer-MR gateway would already be possible, and would work when the maintainer used dgit.) Ian. [1] IMO bugs are better for this because they provide a less bitty conversational structure and are archived and published more usefully. But it would be possible to handle thi

Re: [RFC] Proposal for new source format

2019-10-30 Thread Ian Jackson
Russ Allbery writes ("Re: [RFC] Proposal for new source format"): > Ian Jackson writes: > > Of course this means that the resulting source packages are not the "3.0 > > (quilt)" patch queue source packages that many people (even some people > > who like gi

Re: MBF: don't build against libatlas3-base if possible

2019-10-30 Thread Ian Jackson
g actually looked at any affected source package.) > @Andreas, can we add this point to science-team policy? I will leave this to Andreas. But if Andreas and the science-team agree with you, then this is clearly a candidate for a lintian warning. You probably want to file a bug against lintian. Pl

Re: [RFC] Proposal for new source format

2019-10-29 Thread Ian Jackson
source packages are not the "3.0 (quilt)" patch queue source packages that many people (even some people who like git) say is important to them. A key design goal for dgit and my tag2upload proposal, is that (when used in the most usual way) it produces nice source packages like everyo

Re: Building Debian source packages reproducibly (was: Re: [RFC] Proposal for new source format)

2019-10-29 Thread Ian Jackson
ploader identify verification, even though from my point of view that would be a redundant check. But it's simple to provide the tag and there is some integrity improvement from doing so, so that is what I am proposing. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Re: Building Debian source packages reproducibly (was: Re: [RFC] Proposal for new source format)

2019-10-29 Thread Ian Jackson
backwards-connection seems to be missing thus far, but I do find it > important for the reasons above. Adding it would easily allow dak to > validate the signature on the tag. So, I'm not sure I understand what you think is missing. Ian. [1] I think with monorepo workflows the maint

Building Debian source packages reproducibly (was: Re: [RFC] Proposal for new source format)

2019-10-28 Thread Ian Jackson
ebpush and the tag2upload service rather than by reinventing the rest of the machinery ? Regards, Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Re: Building Debian source packages reproducibly (was: Re: [RFC] Proposal for new source format)

2019-10-28 Thread Ian Jackson
is done for you on the tag2upload service, which of course has a fast network connection - and you don't need to wait for it. Ian. [0] Currently, of course, this requirement is not achieved for existing git based uploads. In practice, DDs use ad-hoc git-buildpackage runes on their local mac

Re: [RFC] Proposal for new source format

2019-10-23 Thread Ian Jackson
from ever being pushed again). The server admin can also of course simply delete a package entirely. So far this has not been necessary. I don't know how often a similar situation has arisen with alioth and now salsa. (I agree with everything else you wrote, too.) Thanks, Ian. -- Ian Jac

Re: Debian and our frenemies of containers and userland repos

2019-10-07 Thread Ian Jackson
really useable in the same way. I think the interface I designed and which has subsequently been significantly improved, is a good one, and we should continue to develop and enhance it. Thanks, Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @

Re: Possible doc package side-effect from going source-only upload [and 1 more messages]

2019-09-20 Thread Ian Jackson
all, namely --build=all ? (NB that does not mean build all the things, it means build only "all" things.) Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Re: Possible doc package side-effect from going source-only upload [and 1 more messages]

2019-09-20 Thread Ian Jackson
Dirk Eddelbuettel writes ("Re: Possible doc package side-effect from going source-only upload [and 1 more messages]"): > On 19 September 2019 at 14:51, Ian Jackson wrote: > | This would be a good idea. It is quite some effort but I think you > | would be rewarded with

Re: Possible doc package side-effect from going source-only upload [and 1 more messages]

2019-09-19 Thread Ian Jackson
ules file would > be a lot more readable if you'd dropped all the old commented out code > in it. I agree with this. > (and then I think^wbelieve your arch-all problem could be solved by > switching to dh style...) This would be a good idea. It is quite some effort but I think you

Re: Git Packaging Round 2: SHOULD Not or MUSt NOT Github

2019-09-12 Thread Ian Jackson
Sam Hartman writes ("Re: Git Packaging Round 2: SHOULD Not or MUSt NOT Github"): > Ian Jackson writes: > > > Sam Hartman writes ("Re: Git Packaging Round 2: SHOULD Not or > > MUSt NOT Github"): > >> Unfortunately, I believe you are in the [wrong] w

Re: should Debian add itself to https://python3statement.org ?

2019-09-12 Thread Ian Jackson
Jim Popovitch writes ("Re: should Debian add itself to https://python3statement.org ?"): > On Thu, 2019-09-12 at 16:01 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > > Drew Parsons writes ("should Debian add itself to > > https://python3statement.org ?"): > > > https:/

Re: should Debian add itself to https://python3statement.org ?

2019-09-12 Thread Ian Jackson
by ourselves would not be desirable either. I think I trust the Debian Python team to make that tradeoff. But we need to be clear what's going on and communicate early. If python2 is going out of bullseye then there are a lot of bugs that should probably be marked rc fairly soon... thanks, Ia

Re: Git Packaging Round 2: SHOULD Not or MUSt NOT Github

2019-09-12 Thread Ian Jackson
Enrico Zini writes ("Re: Git Packaging Round 2: SHOULD Not or MUSt NOT Github"): > On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 02:07:52PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > > I think this does not demonstrate that I am wrong about project's > > overall opinion about this. I am confident that

Re: Git Packaging Round 2: When to Salsa

2019-09-12 Thread Ian Jackson
t the maintainer branch. > (Using dgit to upload packages is sadly incompatible with best > practices around packaging.) Using dgit to upload packages is best practice. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a

Re: Git Packaging Round 2: SHOULD Not or MUSt NOT Github

2019-09-12 Thread Ian Jackson
tside our community, for example fields which refer to upstream source management systems, may (in order to be accurate) still need to refer to proprietary systems. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Common configuration of Debianish build etc. tools

2019-09-11 Thread Ian Jackson
uages including, in particular, shell scripts. Any suggestions ? Also there should be a registry document in some package somewhere, which declares the format and lists the known config keys and their semantics. Thanks, Ian. PS Note that we are talking here about settings which relate to per

Re: Git Packaging Round 2: When to Salsa

2019-09-10 Thread Ian Jackson
unity is aware of them, but they do not rise to a level where > they would challenge recommending Salsa. > > If you'd like to work on Salsa, including helping Salsa be more free, > reach out to the Salsa admins and see if they can use your help. I think that these objections do not rise to the level that we shouldn't recommend Salsa to people who don't already have an opinion. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Re: On the Removal of src:tensorflow [and 1 more messages]

2019-09-05 Thread Ian Jackson
ig. If you could arrange to mirror your article on some Debian server that would avoid possible future linkrot (although if you plan for your own article to have a good longterm stable url then maybe that's not needed). Regards, Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I

Re: On the Removal of src:tensorflow [and 1 more messages]

2019-09-05 Thread Ian Jackson
g to this thread because of the principle of doing things in public. Please be sure to CC me on the email. NB that do *not* intend to take on the role of ongoing document editor and won't be incorporating comments made in response to your mail. Thanks, Ian.

Re: Proposed build profile: noinsttests

2019-09-04 Thread Ian Jackson
Changes content of binary packages: No ("C: N" on the wiki) > Changes set of binary packages: Yes ("S: Y" on the wiki) Your reasoning and conclusios make sense to me. (FTAOD, I didn't reread the background materials but I found your message admirably clear without needing to do that.) Regards, Ian.

Re: Git Packaging: Native source formats

2019-08-31 Thread Ian Jackson
upstreams expect us to do that work. (The same way we expect our downstreams to file bugs, not expect us to guddle around in their systems looking for stuff to take.) Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Re: Git Packaging: Native source formats

2019-08-31 Thread Ian Jackson
n git-buildpackage. Oh, interesting. In that case Ted might find that using `dgit push-source', `dgit sbuild' or `dgit pbuilder' work where `dgit gbp-build' doesn't. That probably involves manually running pristine-tar(1) (maybe origtargz would do it the right way?) I

Re: Git Packaging: Native source formats

2019-08-30 Thread Ian Jackson
ng git workflow with a native source package format should be universal, or even the default. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Re: Git Packaging: Native source formats [and 1 more messages]

2019-08-30 Thread Ian Jackson
> Are you planning to upload these? Obviously not to Debian. I don't think that invalidates the point. Users are supposed to be able to modify and build software on their own systems without any expectation that the result will go to Debian. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are m

Re: Git Packaging: Native source formats

2019-08-30 Thread Ian Jackson
Theodore Y. Ts'o writes ("Re: Git Packaging: Native source formats"): > On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 11:23:01AM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > > I think dgit ought to be compatible with the idea of shipping > > upstream's .asc's about, but maybe there are bugs. I d

Re: Git Packaging: Native source formats

2019-08-29 Thread Ian Jackson
Ian Jackson writes ("Re: Git Packaging: Native source formats"): > Simon McVittie writes ("Re: Git Packaging: Native source formats"): > > Unlike 1.0 (non-native) vs. 3.0 (quilt), where some people prefer one and > > some people prefer the other, I am not aware o

Re: Git Packaging: Native source formats

2019-08-29 Thread Ian Jackson
ts reuse of version numbers, there is a corresponding exception for packages which are still entirely in NEW.) Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Re: Git Packaging: Native source formats

2019-08-29 Thread Ian Jackson
Simon McVittie writes ("Re: Git Packaging: Native source formats"): > On Thu, 29 Aug 2019 at 11:56:55 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > > If you already don't care about bit-identical upstream tarballs, then > > dealing with these tarballs is a reasonably well-solved pro

Re: dput problem: Ancient sha256sum? [and 1 more messages]

2019-08-29 Thread Ian Jackson
has to have a -1 revision, or even that it must have a -1 or -0.1 revision. I think the practice of reusing version numbers for different packages is confusing. It leads to mistakes, and should be deprecated. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an add

Re: Git Packaging: Native source formats

2019-08-29 Thread Ian Jackson
with this and it should not be discouraged and doesn't merit a warning. (There is an awkardness here in that you can sometimes unintentionally generate a native format source package if your origs are missing...) HTH. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Re: Git Packaging: Native source formats

2019-08-29 Thread Ian Jackson
the idea of shipping upstream's .asc's about, but maybe there are bugs. I don't ever do this so I don't know if it works and I doubt there are tests for it. So, if you have a package where you want to use dgit push and you find the upstream .asc is not being included, please fil

Re: tag2upload service architecture and risk assessment - draft v2

2019-08-29 Thread Ian Jackson
Holger Levsen writes ("Re: tag2upload service architecture and risk assessment - draft v2"): > On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 05:07:00PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > > In my proposal the source package is reproducible (in the > > "reproducible builds" sense)

Re: tag2upload service architecture and risk assessment - draft v2

2019-08-29 Thread Ian Jackson
have to effectively have another instance of the tag2upload infrastructure within it. Overall I don't think this would make sense, even though it's possible. I hope that clarifies things. Thanks, Ian. [1] https://wiki.debian.org/GitPackagingSurvey Not all of these are supported by tag

Re: tag2upload service architecture and risk assessment - draft v2

2019-08-28 Thread Ian Jackson
lds" sense) from the uploader's signed git tag. That is admittedly less convenient to verify than the just checking the .dsc signature. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Re: tag2upload service architecture and risk assessment - draft v2

2019-08-28 Thread Ian Jackson
Sam Hartman writes ("Re: tag2upload service architecture and risk assessment - draft v2"): > I'm sure that Ian and Sean had been thinking about this before the > DPL campaign. But I think in a very real sense, they took that > discussion and tried to show us what it m

Re: tag2upload service architecture and risk assessment - draft v2

2019-08-28 Thread Ian Jackson
bout with tarballs etc.). Being able to do that would take away large amounts of friction from many people's workflows. That's one reason why I think this is important. I have thought about these matters a lot and it is true that I am by now convinced that this cannot be achieved other t

Re: tag2upload service architecture and risk assessment - draft v2

2019-08-28 Thread Ian Jackson
se some particular .dsc; that's an output artefact. The uploader intends to release some git commit. So the .dsc should be traceable to that git commit. Currently it is not. With my proposal the .dsc is traceable to the git history, including the uploader's signed tag. Ian. -- Ian Jackson

Re: tag2upload service architecture and risk assessment - draft v2

2019-08-28 Thread Ian Jackson
Sam Hartman writes ("Re: tag2upload service architecture and risk assessment - draft v2"): > Ian Jackson writes: > > The mapping from git tag to .dsc is nontrivial. git tag to > > .dsc construction (or verification) is complex and offers a > > large attack surf

Re: tag2upload service architecture and risk assessment - draft v2

2019-08-28 Thread Ian Jackson
That private review resulted in significant changes, notably the addition of privsep. (As a result, that privsep is the substantial part which is not yet implemented.) The review of my public v1 draft resulted in my proposals for facilitating double checks by dak, and general improvements to tra

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