lems will turn up that this slack can handle.
[1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/08/msg5.html
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> Hell of an opponent and stronger than 90% of the commercial
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Would X% of Debian's other free chess engines not be a more relevant
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"$(MAKE) all" line in debian/rules is a better choice after all.
(In any case there is no need to check specifically whether it exists
before using it - if it doesn't, make will silently expand it to
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Scripsit Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Henning Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Scripsit Falk Hueffner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Henning Makholm wrote:
>>>> Another related bug type that I found lurking in my packages when I
>&g
Scripsit Falk Hueffner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Henning Makholm wrote:
>> Another related bug type that I found lurking in my packages when I
>> investigated the warnings in this list, is trying to format a size_t
>> value with a %u or %d format string, which will br
n all relevant gcc
versions, but only when compiling to a 64-bit target.
Somebody ought to create a tool that could easily compare the
buildd logs for a package on different architectures and flag warnings
that appear only for some but not arches, indicating a possible
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Perhaps then the default ought to send to the existing bug if the
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Scripsit Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> As beautiful as this irony is of a non-developer asserting on a developer
> list that being involved in development is irrelevant,
But being involved in development _is_ irrelevant as regards whether
his arguments have merit or not.
Scripsit Gunnar Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Henning Makholm dijo [Wed, May 31, 2006 at 04:10:51AM +0200]:
>> A KSP that depends on there being any pre-existing trust to abuse is
>> *completely worthless* as a KSP whether or not that trust is abused
>> or not.
> Umm
me and others naive for pointing out this obvious fact
is not going to change it.
> good faith would have been to present the official ID and extend
> the web of trust.
A security mechanism that only works in the non-presense of fraudsters
is no security mechanism at all.
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> against such deception.
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> On Wed, 17 May 2006, Henning Makholm wrote:
>> How does sending directly to from reportbug to an ISP's smarthost
>> validate the user's email address better than sending directly from
>> reportbug to a HTTP POST so
ion is to use the
_default_ mail transport mechanism in Debian, which is how it should be.
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Scripsit Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> On Tue, 2006-05-16 at 19:21 +0200, Henning Makholm wrote:
>> The point is that they could if the wanted to. And if they did, it
>> would work for _all_ programs, not just particular perl scripts that
>> happen to use some
at version of Python is represented by links in the file system.
What do you think the problem is?
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> On Tue, 2006-05-16 at 11:04 +0200, Henning Makholm wrote:
>> Scripsit "Steinar H. Gunderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > On Mon, May 15, 2006 at 02:13:46PM +0200, Henning Makholm wrote:
>> >> Why not j
Email::Send is not another sendmail replacement - it's abstract
> method for using mailers in way you want to use.
/usr/sbin/sendmail _is_ an abstract method for sending mail through
the transport configured by the system administrator.
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link(2) and symlink(2). The (Essential) coreutils
package provides a userspace binary /bin/ln which makes these calls
available to shell scripts.
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Scripsit "Steinar H. Gunderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> On Mon, May 15, 2006 at 02:13:46PM +0200, Henning Makholm wrote:
>> Why not just install some software that can speak SMTP as the chroot's
>> /usr/bin/sendmail? E.g. nullmailer.
> nullmailer is, in gen
mail in the chroot requires setting up a chroot
> maildrop, and while there are packages to do this, using some module that
> can speak SMTP is often the path of least resistance.
Why not just install some software that can speak SMTP as the chroot's
/usr/bin/sendmail? E.g. nul
rong with the legacy /usr/sbin/sendmail interface, mandated by
policy, LSB, etc?
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arrange for /usr/bin/python to be a symlink to /usr/bin/$arch/python
with $arch chosen (somehow) appropriately for a default python
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Scripsit Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Henning Makholm wrote:
>> Can tasksel tasks be manipulated programmatically with the same
>> apt/aptitude inferfaces that metapackages can?
> This question does not have a yes or no answer, the situation is rather
> more complex
programmatically with the same
apt/aptitude inferfaces that metapackages can?
If yes: Then how do they differ from packages, and how to we need a
secondary concept at all?
If no: Then I would very much like to keep the metapackages I use as
ordinary packages, thank you.
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#x27;X' if I skipped several upstream
> versions inbetween?
Why do you have an -X component in the package name, if the 0.5.2.0 is
the full upstream version number? Seems superfluous to me.
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That would be the point, wouldn't it? Off the top of my head, I don't
think that version diffs should be a maintainer-default keyword, for
the reason you cite. (But I'm not personally affected by
ied with
> respect to the way $PAGER is called.
Is this a man-specific problem? I would say it is a general problem of
policy being vague.
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st thing to try.
It's the simplest and most direct way to test your hypothesis that
that particular package update is the cause of your problem. (And, yes
it _it_ the clever way to start, rather than trying to dig into code
changes that may and may not be related to the effect you're seei
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> For a more complete definition of the term coroutine see The Art of
> Computer Programming by Donald E. Knuth.
I nominate this for the 2006 Most Precise Literature Reference in a
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with the word "compile" here. LaTeX programs
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Scripsit Anthony DeRobertis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> On Tue, Mar 28, 2006 at 03:51:30PM +0200, Henning Makholm wrote:
>> Only for some pretty strange values of "worthless". AFAIU the only
>> legal effect of the notice requirements you cite is as defined by
>> sub
gement suit the option of arguing that the defendant did in fact
know that the work was subject to copyright. The only difference is
that the defendant gets to try to convince the court that he did not
recognize the notice as an assertion that copyright exists.
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> On Mon, 27 Mar 2006, Henning Makholm wrote:
>> > And we ignore any (C) FSF in generated autofoo stuff.
>> The generated autofoo stuff does not end up in the .deb, so the
>> copyright file needs not describe
(C) FSF in generated autofoo stuff.
The generated autofoo stuff does not end up in the .deb, so the
copyright file needs not describe it.
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> On Wednesday 22 March 2006 09:45, Henning Makholm wrote:
>> Listmasters have been trying to
>> identify the responsible subscriber with no luck
> Why not just 500 all posts from sites known to use challenge-response?
The chal
gt; appropriate to inform.
If the address you have is _not_ at uol.com.br, inform listmaster at
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> Please, people, the mere fact that we have an expulsion procedure should
> *not* mean that we have to invoke it twice in a few weeks.
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e
unilaterally _choose_ not to do so (... in main).
The above sentence from Jacobo Tarrio seems to use "not distributable"
in sense (b). Since this is not in fact -legal, I assume that we all
actually agree and that JT is simply unfamiliar with the relevant
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(It does prevent executing arbitrary code taken from the environment
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Indeed I am not. I see nothing can be hidden from you.
Rather a brilliant display of observation and deduction, actually.
I don't suppose we could interest you in a job at the Yard?
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a
questions. It does not appear to be directly relevant to the
development of Debian, and I'd expect most people here haven't
ever even looked at kernel source.
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Do you claim that this is _not_ just a proof-of-concept item?
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ructions as combinatory lambda calculus, and (2) the use of toy
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rom what I can tell, has been around for years and is a
> Turing-complete programming language consisting of only eight
> commands:
Basically just a horrible way to write down counter machines. Who
would use that for anything?
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Scripsit Panu Kalliokoski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> * License : BSD-like
> Description : Brainfuck compiler
What is this useful for?
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Scripsit Hendrik Sattler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Am Dienstag, 28. Februar 2006 21:26 schrieb Henning Makholm:
>> Further, providing an .orig.tar.gz without the debian/ directory helps
>> prevent confusion for users on non-Debian systems.
> On the other side, some user
n and start releasing your master distribution there instead
of here, confusion will result if the Ubuntu packaging in debian/
cannot be easily separated from the upstream source that a new Debian
maintainer might want to package.
It is easier to just do it right from the beginning.
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to the fact that we can have a library in main
without having any clients for the library in main. An example is
libc5 - it exists in sarge *only* to support old applications,
presumably non-free and certainly not in main themselves. Yet I have
not heard anybody suggest th
ree" spirit ? :p
> A cat is not licensed under a viral license ;-) And, more important,
> is not covered by copyright law
Even more important: Debian does not distribute kittens at all.
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> Henning Makholm wrote:
>>You are supposed to write an appropriate shlibs file, as described in
>>policy �8.6. Have you done so?
> My file is currently automatically generated by dh_shlibdeps, and says
> "libargtable2
does not seem quite the Debian way of
doing things.
(On a related note, will I lose my position in the NEW queue by
uploading improved versions of the package before it is accepted?)
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that can be configured to send to a smarthost rather than to a local
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> from the bug would be helpful, because I don't have the time to read up on
> it now, but will want to when you file the first bug on my pkgs,
FWIW, I agree with both of these points.
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> I still maintain that the information provided was useful,
Whether it is useful is the wrong question. Lots of things are
"useful" but still not relevant to sp
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my technical pride.
But thaks for pointing out that imagemagick does have some support for
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Description
uld have different Maintainer:
> fields, unless the maintainer agrees to have his name on it.
You seem to require a standard of attribution in the Maintainer field
that Debian does not itself follow in our default procedures. To wit:
NMUs _within_ Debian keep the Maintainer field unchanged.
s is controversial at best.
> iii) You are not permitted to change the ECW file format.
This, however, directly kills DFSG-freedom as well as GPL compatibility.
If the library is actually linked with GPL code, as the authors seem
to expect, the entire think becomes legally undistribut
ent times, to the point where I often just hit ^C to
> exit after upgrading, instead of waiting ages for all the "updating
> random stuff #11, very slowly... 2%" stuff to finish before I can
> type "q"
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0=sldkjf 1=sdf
$ bash -c 'source zzz.sh' sldkjf sdf sdf
#0=sldkjf #1=sdf
$
The argument to the -c option is being interpreted as _a shell script_
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how to fix the problem.
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satisfy different needs (having a vi because we're unix resp. having a
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> On 12/13/05, Henning Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Alternatively each user can spread his load over all three servers;
>> his download now takes 5 minutes, and each server _still_ sees
>> 600*5 = 3000 act
erience of an individual).
I am questioning your assumption that doing parallel downloads will
necessarily decrease the experience of a group of people at all.
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seem to be the limiting factor - and therefore people at the end of
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> into the correctly formatted RFC2822 representation.
Is this worth a package of its own? It's not as if generating RFC2822
dates in perl is hard - there are twoliners easily googleable.
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>> without ever having to argue the merits of your case.
> *shrug* The computer security folks at that university started
> spreading FUD about various security systems, mainly rehashing the
> work of others. They seem to be in it mostly for the publicity.
More ad
lear warning sign.)
The nice thing about ad hominem arguments is that you can make them
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Scripsit Anthony Towns
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 10:15:34PM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote:
>> I would expect something like
>> $ dsum -a sha1 COPYING; sha1sum COPYING
>> s.w4runjyMTV1ZT_VIob4FRTAjAW1ihpMfZRLbIV7B_UI COPYING
> sha1sum already exists; and isn't that l
hpMfZRLbIV7B_UI COPYING
4325afd396febcb659c36b49533135d4 COPYING
$ echo moooo | sha1sum -
s.-tUTs04N4IxBOtWpdoIXt1b0qgHIgNm9IC_OgYjm-mU -
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Scripsit Peter Samuelson
> [Henning Makholm]
> > I have written a Lintian check which attempts to flag instances of
> > this problem. It looks for ELF objects that flag shared libraries in
> > the default search path as NEEDED without actually importing symbols
> &g
erfluous".
Testing and comments solicited. To test, install
<http://henning.makholm.net/debian/lintian_1.23.13makholm_all.deb>,
or just drop the two attached files in /usr/share/lintian/checks/.
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Scripsit Florian Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> * Henning Makholm:
>>> I wouldn't use real base64, though, because it would mean that you can
>>> use its hashed output as a file name.
>> Good point. One might replace "/" with "_" and omit
Scripsit Florian Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> * Henning Makholm:
>> Why wait for the world to settle? Would there be anything wrong with
>> writing a sha256sum program that outputs base64 right now?
> I wouldn't use real base64, though, because it would mean that yo
hashing. Maybe by the time coreutils ships a sha256sum program, the
> world will have settled upon BASE64, which requires only 43 bytes.
Why wait for the world to settle? Would there be anything wrong with
writing a sha256sum program that outputs base64
gher
of the links they have _different_ contexts.
Now we're at it, also add the link
http://wwws.sheetmusicplus.com/sheetmusic/detail/WB.GS2001.html
for "du*l*ng b*nj*s" (remember to spell du*l*ng with a single l, which
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Is this really useful enough to be worth the Packages.gz file space?
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