Re: Python 3.13 addition as a supported Python version started

2024-12-15 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, Nov 13, 2024 at 10:29:06AM +0100, Matthias Klose wrote: > python3-defaults in unstable now adds Python 3.13 as a supported Python 3.13 > version. You might see some additional build failures, until the binNMUs > for this addition are done [1]. This might take some days for some > architect

Re: criteria for acceptable languages for central QA tools in Debian

2024-12-15 Thread Josh Triplett
Marc Haber wrote: > don't take the old version away until the new one is feature par and > bug free. Leaving aside the points Philipp Kern made (some features are intentionally removed, and code is rarely if ever "bug free")... Another way of phrasing "don't take the old version away" is "someone

Re: criteria for acceptable languages for central QA tools in Debian

2024-12-15 Thread Philipp Kern
Hi, On 12/15/24 2:11 PM, Marc Haber wrote: [ Rewriting existing tools in another language ] > Yes, go ahead with that, but don't force people to do that, and don't > take the old version away until the new one is feature par and bug > free. I find the latter a bit offensive and unrealistic. Rewri

Re: A better bts? - https://fabre.debian.net

2024-12-15 Thread Pirate Praveen
On 12/16/24 12:54 AM, Richard Lewis wrote: Tiago Bortoletto Vaz writes: Btw, for triage I used to suggesthttps://fabre.debian.net to newcomers. I had some hope that it could be a start for something bigger, so I tried to have access to the code to improve a few things but never had an answer f

A better bts? - https://fabre.debian.net (was: Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers)

2024-12-15 Thread Richard Lewis
Tiago Bortoletto Vaz writes: > Btw, for triage I used to suggest https://fabre.debian.net to > newcomers. I had some hope that it could be a start for something > bigger, so I tried to have access to the code to improve a few things > but never had an answer from the maintainer :\ This looks lik

Re: Proposal: Optional `Priority: optional` and changed `Section` fall-back

2024-12-15 Thread Niels Thykier
Charles Plessy: Le Sun, Dec 15, 2024 at 09:27:06AM +0100, Niels Thykier a écrit : We would like [...] that `dpkg` provides defaults [...] if the fields are omitted from `debian/control`, you get `Priority: optional` and `Section: unknown` as default in all artifacts (`.dsc`, `.changes`, and in t

Re: criteria for acceptable languages for central QA tools in Debian

2024-12-15 Thread Marc Haber
On Sat, 14 Dec 2024 22:38:49 +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote: >Marc Haber: > >> I disagree violently with all efforts that would waste Debian people's >> time to rewrite existing and well-working times just for the sake of >> having them in a more "modern" programming language. >ITYM "well-working t

Re: Proposal: Optional `Priority: optional` and changed `Section` fall-back

2024-12-15 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Sun, Dec 15, 2024 at 09:27:06AM +0100, Niels Thykier a écrit : > We would like [...] that `dpkg` provides defaults [...] if the fields > are omitted from `debian/control`, you get `Priority: optional` and > `Section: unknown` as default in all artifacts (`.dsc`, `.changes`, > and in the `.deb`).

Re: Barriers between packages and other people (Was: Bits from DPL)

2024-12-15 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Hi Matthias, Quoting Matthias Urlichs (2024-12-15 06:33:35) > On 12.12.24 12:48, Holger Levsen wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 08:57:57AM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > >> On 04.12.24 18:08, Andreas Tille wrote: > >>> in the > >>> absence of a debian/dont_touch_my_package file, any Debian Dev

Re: Proposal: Optional `Priority: optional` and changed `Section` fall-back

2024-12-15 Thread Holger Levsen
On Sun, Dec 15, 2024 at 09:50:17AM +0100, Daniel Baumann wrote: > both sound good (dropping mandatory priority is nice and consistent, > fixing unknown section behaviour too), thanks! indeed! thank you both! > ideally these changes would be in dpkg in trixie, but maintainers would > start dropp

Re: Proposal: Optional `Priority: optional` and changed `Section` fall-back

2024-12-15 Thread Niels Thykier
Daniel Baumann: Hi, both sound good (dropping mandatory priority is nice and consistent, fixing unknown section behaviour too), thanks! Thanks for the feedback. :) ideally these changes would be in dpkg in trixie, but maintainers would start dropping priority fields *after* trixie so that f

Re: Proposal: Optional `Priority: optional` and changed `Section` fall-back

2024-12-15 Thread Daniel Baumann
Hi, both sound good (dropping mandatory priority is nice and consistent, fixing unknown section behaviour too), thanks! ideally these changes would be in dpkg in trixie, but maintainers would start dropping priority fields *after* trixie so that for backports we woudn't need to add it back en mas

Proposal: Optional `Priority: optional` and changed `Section` fall-back

2024-12-15 Thread Niels Thykier
Hi, Historically, if you omitted `Priority` and `Section` from your package, `dpkg` would warn and use `-` or `unknown` as placeholder when it absolutely needed a value for these fields in the `.dsc` and the `.changes` file. The resulting `.deb` would omit the field. We would like to change this