Re: criteria for acceptable languages for central QA tools in Debian

2024-12-12 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello, On Thu 12 Dec 2024 at 02:36pm GMT, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > The "Perl Problem" is a wider issue we should explore in much more > depth. I'm personally a little surprised if it's true that younger > people are unprepared to take a stab at hacking Perl. But since that's > the case, we have

Re: criteria for acceptable languages for central QA tools in Debian

2024-12-12 Thread Thomas Dineen
Have you considered mobonics? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moesha On 12/12/2024 11:30 PM, Andrius Merkys wrote: On 2024-12-12 20:51, Marco d'Itri wrote: On Dec 12, Jonathan Dowland wrote: The "Perl Problem" is a wider issue we should explore in much more depth. We would first need to de

Re: criteria for acceptable languages for central QA tools in Debian

2024-12-12 Thread Andrius Merkys
On 2024-12-12 20:51, Marco d'Itri wrote: On Dec 12, Jonathan Dowland wrote: The "Perl Problem" is a wider issue we should explore in much more depth. We would first need to determine that there is an actual problem. Perl is quite healthy as a language and has aged much better than many other

Re: criteria for acceptable languages for central QA tools in Debian (was: Re: coordination between lintian/piuparts/adequate)

2024-12-12 Thread Marc Haber
On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 18:27:52 +, Jeremy Stanley wrote: >Industrious young people are quite capable of working with any >available tools on projects in any language, I've met plenty of >them, they do exist. I was young once too, if I hadn't been willing >to learn to use tools and languages older

Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers

2024-12-12 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 10 Dec 2024, Gard Spreemann wrote: > Being not 100% confident with the system, > I way too often found myself waiting minutes – as much as 10 or 15 – for > replies to simple operations. The BTS processes messages every 3 minutes. There's nothing really stopping an inotify-based daemon alwa

Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers

2024-12-12 Thread Paul Gevers
Hi On 11-12-2024 12:34, Pirate Praveen wrote: If reportbug can open your already configure email client (like thunderbird) that already helps a lot. I do that all the time: paul@toba ~ $ grep thunderbird ~/.reportbugrc mua thunderbird Paul OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital

Re: criteria for acceptable languages for central QA tools in Debian (was: Re: coordination between lintian/piuparts/adequate)

2024-12-12 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Dec 12, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > The "Perl Problem" is a wider issue we should explore in much more depth. We would first need to determine that there is an actual problem. Perl is quite healthy as a language and has aged much better than many other younger languages: e.g. there is no need t

Re: Musings about Usernames in adduser and Debian

2024-12-12 Thread Henrik Ahlgren
On Wed, 2024-12-11 at 09:11 +0100, Marc Haber wrote: > That's easy, just choose a user name for YOU that YOU can type on YOUR > keyboard. Why would anybody chose a username that is impossible to use > in their own locale? I don't see much problems with single-user machines, especially security rel

Re: criteria for acceptable languages for central QA tools in Debian (was: Re: coordination between lintian/piuparts/adequate)

2024-12-12 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2024-12-12 14:36:51 + (+), Jonathan Dowland wrote: [...] > The "Perl Problem" is a wider issue we should explore in much more depth. > I'm personally a little surprised if it's true that younger people are > unprepared to take a stab at hacking Perl. But since that's the case, we > have

Re: Problems to find sponsors

2024-12-12 Thread Ahmad Khalifa
On 12/12/2024 04:05, Sean Whitton wrote: On Tue 10 Dec 2024 at 01:31pm GMT, Ahmad Khalifa wrote: As an outsider trying to help, the natural thing I looked at was the RFH process to dip my toes into things. But only 56 packages have RFH bugs and they're usually not very clear on what help they ne

Re: Musings about Usernames in adduser and Debian

2024-12-12 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Tue, Dec 10, 2024 at 09:24:15PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: > > But things are moving by shadow upstream taking a user-hostile stance, > willing to take away freedom. I must be fine with that because I > cannot change it. But I don't need to like it. As a suggestion, we might make more forward pr

Re: criteria for acceptable languages for central QA tools in Debian (was: Re: coordination between lintian/piuparts/adequate)

2024-12-12 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed Dec 11, 2024 at 10:57 PM GMT, Serafeim (Serafi) Zanikolas wrote: I'd like to discuss this with a focus on general principles, and only discuss specifics (adequate, golang) to the extent that it helps reason about general principles. That's going to be pretty hard, because the scenario y

Re: Bits from DPL / Feedback on attracting newcomers

2024-12-12 Thread Charles Plessy
> On Wed, Dec 11, 2024 at 09:29:08PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > > Last time I had to write a removal request I asked ChatGPT and it worked > > well! Le Wed, Dec 11, 2024 at 02:29:08PM +, Holger Levsen a écrit : > > is this debian-devel@ or -curiosa@? (&scnr) Hi Holger and everybody, it

Re: Barriers between packages and other people (Was: Bits from DPL)

2024-12-12 Thread Holger Levsen
On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 08:57:57AM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > On 04.12.24 18:08, Andreas Tille wrote: > > in the > > absence of a debian/dont_touch_my_package file, any Debian Developer is > > permitted to upload the package. > I like this idea. so you like reality. good. -- cheers,

Bug#1089752: ITP: golang-github-notaryproject-notation-go -- A collection of libraries for supporting sign and verify OCI artifacts. Based on Notary Project specifications.

2024-12-12 Thread Reinhard Tartler
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Reinhard Tartler * Package name: golang-github-notaryproject-notation-go Version : 1.2.1-1 Upstream Author : Notary Project * URL : https://github.com/notaryproject/notation-go * License : Apache-2.0 Programming Lang: G

Bug#1089751: ITP: golang-github-notaryproject-notation -- A CLI tool to sign and verify artifacts

2024-12-12 Thread Reinhard Tartler
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Reinhard Tartler * Package name: golang-github-notaryproject-notation Version : 1.2.0-1 Upstream Author : Notary Project * URL : https://github.com/notaryproject/notation * License : Apache-2.0 Programming Lang: Go De

Re: Barriers between packages and other people (Was: Bits from DPL)

2024-12-12 Thread Gioele Barabucci
On 04/12/24 18:08, Andreas Tille wrote: We could introduce this change starting with Debian Policy version X. Maintainers who adopt this policy version by updating the Standards-Version in their packages would implicitly agree that, in the absence of a debian/dont_touch_my_package file, any Debia

Re: Barriers between packages and other people (Was: Bits from DPL)

2024-12-12 Thread Andrey Rakhmatullin
On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 09:36:01AM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > > in the > > > absence of a debian/dont_touch_my_package file, any Debian Developer is > > > permitted to upload the package. > > > > I like this idea. > > > > The next step: agree on a "standard" Debian workflow and allow > >

Re: Barriers between packages and other people (Was: Bits from DPL)

2024-12-12 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Matthias Urlichs (2024-12-12 08:57:57) > On 04.12.24 18:08, Andreas Tille wrote: > > in the > > absence of a debian/dont_touch_my_package file, any Debian Developer is > > permitted to upload the package. > > I like this idea. > > The next step: agree on a "standard" Debian workflow and a

Re: Barriers between packages and other people (Was: Bits from DPL)

2024-12-12 Thread Matthias Urlichs
On 04.12.24 18:08, Andreas Tille wrote: in the absence of a debian/dont_touch_my_package file, any Debian Developer is permitted to upload the package. I like this idea. The next step: agree on a "standard" Debian workflow and allow (encourage?) people to convert existing packages to it (assu