On sön, 2024/09/22 at 23:41:56 +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> Netplan seems like *different* bells and whistles, rather than none.
True.
> If you want no belss or whistles, then install neither of ifupdown,
> network-manager nor systemd-networkd, and operate your network using ip
> and (unless
On Sun, Sep 22, 2024 at 10:30:12PM +0200, Andrea Pappacoda wrote:
> On Sun Sep 22, 2024 at 8:06 PM CEST, Josh Triplett wrote:
> > There's one other desirable feature that would make this a robust
> > solution: having NetworkManager do something to handle or ignore
> > interfaces managed by networkd
Quoting Sirius (2024-09-22 17:22:21)
> On fre, 2024/09/20 at 13:12:36 +0200, Lukas Märdian wrote:
> [snip]
> > # Proposal
> > My proposal is to enable a hybrid network stack, using systemd-networkd (on
> > server/cloud/container/embedded systems) and NetworkManager (on
> > desktop/laptop
> > syste
> On 22 Sep 2024, at 14:47, Chris Hofstaedtler wrote:
>
> As far as I understood Lukas' mail, then at least currently not, as
> NM in Debian doesn't come with patches to support two-way
> configuration with netplan.
I think this is a very serious regression for desktop systems. Debian started
On Sun Sep 22, 2024 at 8:06 PM CEST, Josh Triplett wrote:
There's one other desirable feature that would make this a robust
solution: having NetworkManager do something to handle or ignore
interfaces managed by networkd.
If I'm interpreting correctly what you mean, this should already be
poss
Simon McVittie wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Sep 2024 at 12:22:50 +0200, Chris Hofstaedtler wrote:
> > d-i could make (or offer) a choice between networkd and
> > NetworkManager.
>
> d-i *already* makes a choice between ifupdown and NetworkManager: if
> NM has been pulled in by a task's dependencies (e.g. th
On Sep 22, 2024 5:05 PM, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
>
> On Wed Sep 4, 2024 at 8:33 PM BST, Serafeim (Serafi) Zanikolas
> Or maybe the issue isn't difficulty, but
> that doing so is simply unattractive?
Rewriting things just to change language is indeed unattractive.
> (Please, not Python
"Jonathan Dowland" writes:
> If we did have consensus that Perl should be retired, the question
> should be replaced *with what*? I'd be very surprised if we could get
> consensus on that; but I'd happily read people's suggestions. I guess
> you'd advocate for Rust or Go, based on your slide deck
Le Sun, Sep 22, 2024 at 04:05:08PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland a écrit :
> Perl is rusty
Well, if you forget what I wrote earlier about LLMs being a
copyright-laundering machine, I can tell you that if you ask for Perl to
ChatGPT, it does wonders.
Maybe if we had an LLM trained on Wikipedia plus ever
On fre, 2024/09/20 at 13:12:36 +0200, Lukas Märdian wrote:
[snip]
> # Proposal
> My proposal is to enable a hybrid network stack, using systemd-networkd (on
> server/cloud/container/embedded systems) and NetworkManager (on desktop/laptop
> systems) unified through a common layer of Netplan configur
On Sun, Sep 22, 2024 at 03:45:30PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Sun Sep 22, 2024 at 12:47 PM BST, Chris Hofstaedtler wrote:
> > TBH the "interfaces nicely with the clickable frontends" part is
> > what I meant here. I don't know if anyone likes nm-cli.
>
> I prefer it to `ip`, when I can ge
On Wed Sep 4, 2024 at 8:33 PM BST, Serafeim (Serafi) Zanikolas wrote:
> incidentally, lots of Debian native code is in perl, and like it or
> not, we should allow for, or even encourage [0] (partial) rewrites if
> we want to attract new contributors, especially below the average DD
> age
I have so
On Sun Sep 22, 2024 at 12:47 PM BST, Chris Hofstaedtler wrote:
> TBH the "interfaces nicely with the clickable frontends" part is
> what I meant here. I don't know if anyone likes nm-cli.
I prefer it to `ip`, when I can get away with using it instead.
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On Fri, 2024-09-20 at 13:12 +0200, Lukas Märdian wrote:
> I've repeated the reasons why I think a hybrid stack using Netplan is a
> feasible solution many times in previous threads, therefore I'd like to refer
> to a list of frequently asked questions, instead of spreading more reasons
> acros
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* Marc Haber [240922 13:08]:
> On Sun, 22 Sep 2024 12:22:50 +0200, Chris Hofstaedtler
> wrote:
> >The "server" group supposedly wants (and I agree) networkd,
> >but they also want the configuration interface of networkd.
>
> Ack. I'd love networkd to have some more robustness features, but
> net
On Sun, 22 Sep 2024 12:22:50 +0200, Chris Hofstaedtler
wrote:
>The "server" group supposedly wants (and I agree) networkd,
>but they also want the configuration interface of networkd.
Ack. I'd love networkd to have some more robustness features, but
netplan doesnt add anything here.
>The "laptop
On Sun, 22 Sep 2024 at 12:22:50 +0200, Chris Hofstaedtler wrote:
> d-i could make (or offer) a choice between networkd and
> NetworkManager.
d-i *already* makes a choice between ifupdown and NetworkManager: if
NM has been pulled in by a task's dependencies (e.g. this happens when
you install the G
* Lukas Märdian [240920 13:13]:
> I've repeated the reasons why I think a hybrid stack using Netplan is a
> feasible solution many times in previous threads, therefore I'd like to refer
> to a list of frequently asked questions, instead of spreading more reasons
> across more replies: https://wiki
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