Re: DEP18 follow-up: What would be the best path to have all top-150 packages use Salsa CI?

2024-08-20 Thread Otto Kekäläinen
Hi! > > I would very much like to see all top-150 packages run Salsa CI at > > least once before being uploaded to unstable. What people think is a > > reasonable way to proceed to reach this goal? > Advertise widely and frequently that there is a pool of people which is > happy to help investigat

Re: Removing more packages from unstable

2024-08-20 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Tue, Aug 20, 2024 at 07:28:52AM +0200, Helmut Grohne a écrit : > > please allow me to open a can of worms. Package removal from unstable. Hi all, I think that package removal from Unstable, total or partial (for instance, 32-bit architectures) should be an automated self-sevice system for lea

Re: DEP18 follow-up: What would be the best path to have all top-150 packages use Salsa CI?

2024-08-20 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Aug 21, Otto Kekäläinen wrote: > I would very much like to see all top-150 packages run Salsa CI at > least once before being uploaded to unstable. What people think is a > reasonable way to proceed to reach this goal? Advertise widely and frequently that there is a pool of people which is ha

DEP18 follow-up: What would be the best path to have all top-150 packages use Salsa CI?

2024-08-20 Thread Otto Kekäläinen
Hi! In short: I would very much like to see all top-150 packages run Salsa CI at least once before being uploaded to unstable. What people think is a reasonable way to proceed to reach this goal? Background: We have had several cases recently where an upload to Debian unstable causes widespread

Re: Network stack for Trixie

2024-08-20 Thread Daniel Gröber
Hi Lukas, CCing d-devel, tl;dr: I'm sorry to say I strongly oppose both removing ifupdown* in forky as well as raising netplan to Priority: standard. To move this forward without conflict I think we should base the default networking tool decision on data not developer opinion. On Tue, Aug 20, 20

Re: Removing more packages from unstable

2024-08-20 Thread Scott Kitterman
On August 20, 2024 12:16:47 PM UTC, Andrey Rakhmatullin wrote: >On Tue, Aug 20, 2024 at 12:12:33PM +, Scott Kitterman wrote: >> >Removing packages that aren't formally orphaned always sounds too bold to >> >me, though it should be fine if we formalize a process (any process) for >> >that. >

Re: Removing more packages from unstable

2024-08-20 Thread Andrey Rakhmatullin
On Tue, Aug 20, 2024 at 12:12:33PM +, Scott Kitterman wrote: > >Removing packages that aren't formally orphaned always sounds too bold to > >me, though it should be fine if we formalize a process (any process) for > >that. > > > The process currently is file an rm but against ftp.debian.org for

Re: Removing more packages from unstable

2024-08-20 Thread Scott Kitterman
On August 20, 2024 7:46:05 AM UTC, Andrey Rakhmatullin wrote: >On Tue, Aug 20, 2024 at 07:28:52AM +0200, Helmut Grohne wrote: >> please allow me to open a can of worms. Package removal from unstable. >> Deciding when it is time to remove a package from unstable is difficult. >> There may be use

Re: Removing more packages from unstable

2024-08-20 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, On 8/20/24 18:09, Bastian Venthur wrote: That's what I thought too: we should somehow incorporate the popcon value. I disagree -- the users most affected by a removal are those who automate installation, and those will not be running popcon. Can you elaborate on that claim? I probably mi

Re: Removing more packages from unstable

2024-08-20 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi, On 20/08/24 at 07:28 +0200, Helmut Grohne wrote: > There are various QA-related teams looking at packages from other > maintainers. When it trips a check, that often incurs time from some QA > person investigating a report or failure. Examples: > * Lucas Nussbaum, Santiago Vila and a few more

Re: Removing more packages from unstable

2024-08-20 Thread Andreas Metzler
On 2024-08-20 Helmut Grohne wrote: > Hi fellow developers, > (modified resend, as first attempt didn't arrive) > please allow me to open a can of worms. Package removal from unstable. > Deciding when it is time to remove a package from unstable is difficult. > There may be users still and it is

Re: Removing more packages from unstable

2024-08-20 Thread Andrey Rakhmatullin
On Tue, Aug 20, 2024 at 11:09:51AM +0200, Bastian Venthur wrote: > I think popcon does give a good approximation of how much percent of people > installed a certain package even if not everyone uses it, don't you agree? > > Last time I installed Debian it was still enabled by default. Was it? (t

Re: Removing more packages from unstable

2024-08-20 Thread Bastian Venthur
On 20.08.24 10:45, Simon Richter wrote: Hi, On 8/20/24 17:35, Bastian Venthur wrote: That's what I thought too: we should somehow incorporate the popcon value. I disagree -- the users most affected by a removal are those who automate installation, and those will not be running popcon. Can y

Re: Removing more packages from unstable

2024-08-20 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, On 8/20/24 17:35, Bastian Venthur wrote: That's what I thought too: we should somehow incorporate the popcon value. I disagree -- the users most affected by a removal are those who automate installation, and those will not be running popcon. Popcon was introduced to determine which pac

Re: Removing more packages from unstable

2024-08-20 Thread Bastian Venthur
On 20.08.24 07:55, Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues wrote: Hi, [...] if I remember correctly, a package can also become a key package by having a high-enough popcon value. If that is correct, maybe there should also be the inverse. Looking at your list, about 85% of those packages have a popcon

Re: Removing more packages from unstable

2024-08-20 Thread Niels Thykier
Helmut Grohne: Hi fellow developers, (modified resend, as first attempt didn't arrive) please allow me to open a can of worms. Package removal from unstable. Deciding when it is time to remove a package from unstable is difficult. There may be users still and it is unclear whether keeping the p

Re: debian/gbp.cnf analytics? (Re: Re: Accepting DEP14?)

2024-08-20 Thread Simon McVittie
On Mon, 19 Aug 2024 at 22:42:53 -0700, Otto Kekäläinen wrote: > ## How many packages have a 'upstream-vcs-tag' and what is it typically? Unlike most of the other questions you asked and answered (thanks!) we should never expect this to be consistent, because it isn't Debian's decision: it's upstre

Re: Removing more packages from unstable

2024-08-20 Thread Andrey Rakhmatullin
On Tue, Aug 20, 2024 at 07:28:52AM +0200, Helmut Grohne wrote: > please allow me to open a can of worms. Package removal from unstable. > Deciding when it is time to remove a package from unstable is difficult. > There may be users still and it is unclear whether keeping the package > imposes a cos

Representing Debian Metadata in Git

2024-08-20 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, there's a bit of a discussion within Debian on collaborating using Git. One of the long-standing issues is that there are multiple ways Debian packaging can be represented in a git tree, and none of them are optimal. The problem at hand is that the packaging workflow consists of 1. impor