On Mon, May 06, 2024 at 07:42:11AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Historically, deleting anything in /var/tmp that hadn't been accessed in
> over seven days was a perfectly reasonable and typical configuration.
> These days, we have the complication that it's fairly common to turn off
> atime updates
Hi,
On 5/27/24 22:18, Simon McVittie wrote:
So I think your syslogd-is-journald could not be a Provides on the
existing systemd-sysv package, and would have to be a separate package.
I'm not sure that the benefit is worth it (and I see that Luca is sure
that the benefit *isn't* worth it).
I a
On Sun, 5 May 2024 at 21:04, Luca Boccassi wrote:
>
> On Tue, 5 Jul 2022 19:42:37 +0200 Michael Biebl
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Eric
> >
> > On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 15:12:48 + Eric Desrochers
> > wrote:
> > > Package: systemd
> > > Version: 245.7-1
> > > Severity: normal
> > >
> > > Dear Maintainer,
>
Hi,
On Fri, May 24, 2024 at 10:28 PM Otto Kekäläinen wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> So just to clarify, are you saying that a copy of
> https://security.debian.org/debian-security/dists/buster/ will never
> be archived at https://archive.debian.org/debian-security/dists/ like
> previous releases have been so
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On Thu, May 23, 2024 at 08:14:20PM +0200, Mathieu Malaterre wrote:
> Dear all,
> I am trying to find the status of t64 suffix, but I cannot find it
> neither in my mailbox nor on the page:
> https://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/64bit-time#Transition_in_place
> What is expected from Debian packag
Russ Allbery writes:
> Simon McVittie writes:
>
>> I know fail2ban and logcheck do read plain-text logs (although as
>> mentioned, fail2ban already has native Journal-reading support too), and
>> I would guess that fwlogwatch, snort and xwatch probably also read the
>> logs.
>
> logcheck also ha
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Simon McVittie writes:
> On Mon, 27 May 2024 at 03:29:53 +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote:
>> The list of affected packages according to apt-cache showpkg is not
>> that long either:
>>
>> logcheck
> However, for packages that want to read a traditional /var/log/syslog
> or similar, notably logch
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On Mon, 27 May 2024 at 17:04, Russ Allbery wrote:
>
> Simon McVittie writes:
>
> > I know fail2ban and logcheck do read plain-text logs (although as
> > mentioned, fail2ban already has native Journal-reading support too), and
> > I would guess that fwlogwatch, snort and xwatch probably also read
Simon McVittie writes:
> I know fail2ban and logcheck do read plain-text logs (although as
> mentioned, fail2ban already has native Journal-reading support too), and
> I would guess that fwlogwatch, snort and xwatch probably also read the
> logs.
logcheck also has native journal-reading support.
On Mon, 27 May 2024 at 15:09, Simon McVittie wrote:
>
> On Mon, 27 May 2024 at 14:38:44 +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> > Yes this sounds reasonable - do you already have an idea about which
> > is which, from the list above?
>
> Nothing reliable, so please check before opening bugs.
>
> I know fail
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On Mon, 27 May 2024 at 14:38:44 +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> Yes this sounds reasonable - do you already have an idea about which
> is which, from the list above?
Nothing reliable, so please check before opening bugs.
I know fail2ban and logcheck do read plain-text logs (although as
mentioned, f
On Mon, 27 May 2024 at 13:59, Simon McVittie wrote:
>
> On Mon, 27 May 2024 at 03:29:53 +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> > The list of affected packages according to apt-cache showpkg is not
> > that long either:
> >
> > anacron
> > approx
> > fail2ban
> > fwlogwatch
> > heartbeat
> > hip
On Mon, 27 May 2024 at 21:38:07 +0900, Simon Richter wrote:
> My train of thought here is that there should be a "syslogd-is-journald"
> package that Provides/Conflicts system-log-daemon
...
> hence the idea to use systemd-sysv instead of a new empty
> package as the alternative
I wonderered about
On Mon, 27 May 2024 at 13:41, Simon McVittie wrote:
>
> On Mon, 27 May 2024 at 03:29:53 +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> > In Bookworm we enabled persistent journald by default, which was the
> > right choice. The problem is that some packages declare a dependency on
> > the virtual package system-lo
On Mon, 27 May 2024 at 03:29:53 +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> The list of affected packages according to apt-cache showpkg is not
> that long either:
>
> anacron
> approx
> fail2ban
> fwlogwatch
> heartbeat
> hippotat-server
> inetutils-ftpd
> inetutils-inetd
> inetutils-talkd
>
On Mon, 27 May 2024 at 13:38, Simon Richter wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> On 5/27/24 19:59, Luca Boccassi wrote:
>
> > This MBF is
> > not about removing the virtual provides where they are defined, they
> > can stay as-is, but downgrading/removing the hard dependencies so that
> > we can make Debian minimal
On Mon, 27 May 2024 at 03:29:53 +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> In Bookworm we enabled persistent journald by default, which was the
> right choice. The problem is that some packages declare a dependency on
> the virtual package system-log-daemon, which we cannot add on systemd
> given it would make
Hi,
On 5/27/24 19:59, Luca Boccassi wrote:
This MBF is
not about removing the virtual provides where they are defined, they
can stay as-is, but downgrading/removing the hard dependencies so that
we can make Debian minimal images.
So the policy becomes "a logging service is present even if not
On Mon, 27 May 2024 at 12:53, Ansgar 🙀 wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> On Mon, 2024-05-27 at 03:29 +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> > TL;DR: drop or downgrade dependency on system-log-daemon from any
> > package that declares it
>
> +1. Log service freedom is important. Packages should in general not
> pull in a
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On Mon, 27 May 2024 at 06:00, Simon Richter wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> On 5/27/24 11:29, Luca Boccassi wrote:
>
> > With the default system installation including persistent journald by
> > default, it doesn't seem useful anymore to have such dependencies. They
> > are leftovers from an era where not havi
Hi,
On Mon, 2024-05-27 at 03:29 +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> TL;DR: drop or downgrade dependency on system-log-daemon from any
> package that declares it
+1. Log service freedom is important. Packages should in general not
pull in a log service as a dependency.
> The list of affected packages a
Hi,
On 5/27/24 17:08, Federico Ceratto wrote:
Description : Simple OBJ loader
Can this somehow include the word "Wavefront", or a hint that this is
about 3D models? OBJ is also used to refer to relocatable object files
on MS-DOS.
Simon
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